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125704.58 in reply to 125704.57
Date: 1/1/2010 4:04:12 AM
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Yea, having Shaq, on his closed to prime form. That season Shaq aved 22.9PPG, 60% 10.4RPG, 2.7APG 2.3BPG, being the most dominant C on that year. Actually Shaq had an other great year on Miami (only 59 games though) b4 he started to fading. Have u seen the assist stats? 2.7. Thats why i am getting mad. We cant train passing as a big men trainers...

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Date: 1/1/2010 4:12:41 AM
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I really want to give my big men some 2ndaries but how can i train my C some PA or some OD? Looks like that is very important skills for there performance. When u train guards u can chose from 7 different skills. When u train big men 4 with SB being the 1. Put on the account that training big men is expensive sport from salary wise and u can see again that guards are having the advantage 1 more time

Edit: The worse part from that is that when u train OD u r getting some training on ID too. The opposite it doesnt happening...

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Date: 1/1/2010 6:27:53 AM
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I really want to give my big men some 2ndaries but how can i train my C some PA or some OD? Looks like that is very important skills for there performance. When u train guards u can chose from 7 different skills. When u train big men 4 with SB being the 1. Put on the account that training big men is expensive sport from salary wise and u can see again that guards are having the advantage 1 more time

Edit: The worse part from that is that when u train OD u r getting some training on ID too. The opposite it doesnt happening...

"Basic" guards have 4 major skills (JS, JR, OD, Pass). "Good" guards probably have about 6 (add HN and DR).

"Basic" big men have 4 skills (IS, ID, Reb, SB). "Good" big men probably have 5 (add JS).

For some reason, users insist on training good guards, but are satisfied with basic big men. Training big men in JS is not straightforward, but it's not particularly difficult either.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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125704.61 in reply to 125704.60
Date: 1/1/2010 6:43:34 AM
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Well SB is relative useless, and when u r going against big man with good JS and u r big man has very poor OD then he is helpless. Even JS is harder to train than the G's secondaries couz u must put them out of there position with every risk that is involved on that move for u r team. Not all teams having the luxury to put there players to play out of there position. Something that is not a case for the guards too.

Guards have 4 major skills that every1 is very useful something that u cant said for the big men.

Considering how the passing is now such a big factor for the game is also an other major disadvantage for the big men trainers. Actually u can live with basic big men if u r playing outside tactics but the opposite doesnt apply. To be able to use u r big men properly u need great guards too. So whats the point to have dominant big men? Make them role players. Grab rebounds, play D and thats it

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125704.62 in reply to 125704.61
Date: 1/1/2010 6:50:36 AM
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Guards have 4 major skills that every1 is very useful something that u cant said for the big men.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with that. Between JS and SB, there is at least 1 skill that's extremely useful to big man, despite the fact that people tend to ignore both in the trainig process.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 1/1/2010 7:07:22 AM
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Check out Jabbar in 1980 or Worthy in other Laker years.
Tony Parker was series MVP in the finals 3 years ago.

You can train passing for big men. You just don't want to. It is as simple as that.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.
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125704.64 in reply to 125704.62
Date: 1/1/2010 7:08:50 AM
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Its a long debate on those forums about SB, but no debate for the guard skills. About JS i never underrated and every season i am training for at least 1 week JS my big men, and believe me its not easy to find the time that my C will play SF and win that game. Even if i do that then will have GS problem couz after all somebody has to play C.

Still u didnt gave me any answer about the other things that i have pointed

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125704.65 in reply to 125704.64
Date: 1/1/2010 7:37:32 AM
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Its a long debate on those forums about SB, but no debate for the guard skills.

The long debate stems from the fact that Shotblocking was less useful before the most recent slew of game engine changes. And since people still seem to refuse to train it, it's hard to make an accurate


Still u didnt gave me any answer about the other things that i have pointed

I guess don't agree with the other points either.

If you have basic players as I defined them (with Passing being one of the four important skills for guards), you will probably be ok under most tactical choices. Unfortunately, teams seem to ignore the need to have Passing on their guards -- and then for some reason are surprised by poor results.

I read most complaints in the forums, and I see people who repeatedly refuse to acknowledge what's needed in order to take the most advantage of dominant big men. Taking a bunch of expensive players and putting them in your starting lineup is apparently not what wins games, and that to me is perfectly fine.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 1/1/2010 7:42:20 AM

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125704.66 in reply to 125704.65
Date: 1/1/2010 10:42:49 AM
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The long debate stems from the fact that Shotblocking was less useful before the most recent slew of game engine changes. And since people still seem to refuse to train it, it's hard to make an accurate


maybe that could be point of the fact that the player who have it, don't "use" it.

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125704.67 in reply to 125704.65
Date: 1/1/2010 10:51:21 AM
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Yes, I like to see that there are strange hybrids on transfer market, it is good opportunity to create something which will win the games no matter how active trader you are. But I see problem at that when I will sell one or two for the money, I will never get similar players agan from there, that sucks.

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125704.68 in reply to 125704.67
Date: 1/1/2010 11:03:12 AM
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I call it "sacrifice for money".

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