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229484.59 in reply to 229484.58
Date: 1/29/2013 10:47:40 AM
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I've considered this. Before adding [EDIT: any representation of the cross-training effect] to the model, I want to be sure that it is accurate. It may be that there is more going on with the cross-training effect than what you propose. From what the BB's have said, this seems to be the place where penalties are assessed for unbalanced players and possibly where benefits are awarded for balanced players. It's worth figuring out this before adding it to the model.

But rest assured, smart people are working on it. In the meantime, you are surely welcome to go into the tables on the coef sheet and add .01 everywhere if you want to adjust the model on your TS. Though don't blame me if your player models are a little inflated. ;-)

Last edited by rhyminsimon at 1/29/2013 4:05:48 PM

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229484.60 in reply to 229484.59
Date: 1/29/2013 10:53:40 AM
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Actually I don´t think adding 0.01 would do any good.

If I understand the Crosstraining Concept correctly (which I doubt, as I´m not sure anybody does), it redirects 10% of the training towards other categories. But that means what?

If you trained Passing one position for a small player, you might get 0.45 training effect for a full week. Which is...how much? 100%? Unlikely, as there´s already some B-Skills down. So let´s say that´s 90%, so 1/9 from that (which equals 0.05 "Passing") will be shifted somewhere. And now all those questions ... is 0.05 apples the same as 0.05 oranges? Is all that elastic and size and age again considered, when applying it on another skill, making 0.05 apples all of a sudden 0.10 bananas or 0.0085 melons? How about 2, 3 positions training, and team, and...

I choose to sit and wait for the numerical analysis

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229484.61 in reply to 229484.60
Date: 1/29/2013 4:02:07 PM
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Absolutely. That's my point. I considered doing something similar to this. But I'm not going to change the model for the simulator until there is a thorough analysis of the situation. The Training Simulator's reliance on the BB-Training Site's verifiable data and analysis is what makes it useful to folks.

That said... If someone wants to adjust the numbers on the coef sheet, they're welcome to. But I wouldn't recommend it. Nor would I do it myself.

One of the projects that the BB-Training Site is looking into is the cross-training effect. And when there's reliable numerical analysis, it will be presented and I will include it in the Training Simulator.

Last edited by rhyminsimon at 1/29/2013 4:04:32 PM

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229484.62 in reply to 229484.56
Date: 2/9/2013 12:06:28 AM
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The aforementioned updates are now available! The TS is now using the latest data from (http://training.bb-usa.net/). Enjoy.

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229484.63 in reply to 229484.62
Date: 2/15/2013 2:38:39 PM
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Thanks a lot for the update, I do have some more questions though:

Reading to coefficients, big players train passing faster than small players; is that correct? It seems a bit odd to me.
If you have a tall player, training 1v1 gets you JS pops faster than training JS?
If you have a tall player and you train HA, DR pops faster if you do 2 position instead of 1?

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229484.64 in reply to 229484.63
Date: 2/15/2013 5:08:34 PM
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Reading to coefficients, big players train passing faster than small players; is that correct? It seems a bit odd to me.
If you have a tall player, training 1v1 gets you JS pops faster than training JS?
If you have a tall player and you train HA, DR pops faster if you do 2 position instead of 1?


From my understanding, all positions have the same training speed for PA.

That depends on the big's JS skill, sublevel, height and the trainer level. But I haven't trained JS on a big in recent memory, so I can't say whether or not it is true.

As for your 3rd question, 1-position trains faster than 2-position. However, since getting a pop in DR from HA would come from cross-training, DR would pop faster if you just did 1v1.

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229484.65 in reply to 229484.64
Date: 2/15/2013 11:23:06 PM
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Passing trains faster on taller players according to data
could be of course becuse most big guys start out with much lower levels
but the data is across the board, at any age

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229484.66 in reply to 229484.64
Date: 2/16/2013 1:09:23 PM
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That's what I would think too, but I'm asking because the data from the training simulator says tall players train PA faster. I don't think the elastic effect has much to do with it, as I believe PA is only pulled up by HA, and HA generally isn't that much higher than PA on bigs I believe.

Again with the 2nd question, I'm just going by the coefficients from the training simulator and the one in the table for 7'6" for 1v1 has a higher coefficient in JS than the JS training has. I"m assuming it's deducted from a large sample, so sublevels and trainer levels should be accounted for.

I know DR pops faster with 1v1 than HA, but if you do train HA, it seems like DR pops faster when you train 2 positions, according to the coefficients. It's all strange to me, that's why I'm asking.

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229484.67 in reply to 229484.63
Date: 2/16/2013 1:13:02 PM
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So, I won't claim that this is perfect. What I will claim is that it's based on the best information we have.

The counterintuitive relative training speeds that you have mentioned all show up in places where we don't have much data. The training speeds in the TS are projections of what happens where we have more data.

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229484.68 in reply to 229484.67
Date: 2/16/2013 1:21:02 PM
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Very understandable, I can imagine there's not many people that train 2 position HA for bigs. Can you tell how accurate it is approximately? Is it just so little information that you can hardly say anything about it, or does it point to the right direction but the impact could be bigger or smaller?

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