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Perhaps the Game Code should be adjusted so that some players can be forced to play 48 minutes barring injury or foul out...no matter the situation. I would predict that nearly everyone would prefer this method. Maybe have a player or two designated for this each game.

Secondly, perhaps the game code could be adjusted so that SFDC looks for optimum times to sub in/out players instead of doing several subouts of starters at the same time. This is by far the worst part of SFDC. Its having a lineup of losers in the game at the same time thereby forcing bad shot selection.

As is there is a very significant advantage to using BL/LDC. Marin's proposal is to limit the effectiveness by 40% or so in comparison to Set Lineup/SFDC. My biggest complaint is that knowing about this option is not very intuitive. If there are changes significantly effecting lineups it should be explained in the guide and its effectiveness in comparison to setting a lineup.

It's about sacrifices. This entire game is about sacrifices. How much of a sacrifice do you make to train your own players. A lot if you single position three, considerably less if you do two, and none at all if you don't train. To me game shape training is way more over powered than BL, but I am fine with it because owners that utilize it sacrifice somewhere else. Most complaints in this forum are about things that don't benefit the complainer. Unless the other options for substitutions are fixed, the robotic options just won't be appealing to me. Of all the things that could use a tune up on this game, this seems to be the one that didn't need it. If it is to help people that train, I train just fine using it, but I sacrifice by not having a real third trainee. I don't want to spend a significant portion of my payroll on 10th or 11th guys on the roster. Did anyone even consider the TL ramifications of this? This all seems extremely half assed.

I agree that possibilities to control games is very poor. However I still think that there should not be remarkable benefits in performance by using empty lineups. There are also some other options than lets coach decide and strictly follow depth chart, which I have used a lot

The point is the "remarkable benefits" come with sacrifice. Just the same with game shape training which I think has more substantial returns than a blank lineup. If you are willing to make the sacrifice, why shouldn't it be an option?

Two things:
First:
By studying the Game Manual, or simply by using best judgement, blank lineup is the logical way to set the lineup with the option Let Coach Decide. It says " entirely the coach's judgment".
When filling the depth chart with players, there´s a logical option to choose: Coach Picks From Depth Chart.

Second:
On the News Page, it still says that the "new" engine is tested in Private League Games, while this is being delayed in the meantime. An announcement solely made in THIS thread surely doesn´t address the majority of the users.

I agree with the change. Like it or not...the game now has only 26,000 users. They need to do something to make it more enjoyable and the way to do that is by making it more challenging. I thought it(blank line ups) were a glitch from the start. To me it is the BB's taking out the trash.

Obviously, this thread has moved from a new feature feedback thread to a discussion on whether this should even be implemented, even though I've warned against this. I'm not happy about most of the posts here as they are neither on topic nor constructive. I have refrained from deleting them because I do want to hear what our users have to say, but my patience has reached a limit and I will not tolerate such posts any more. This is a direct warning.

Let me be clear right away and reiterate: blank lineup will be dealt with, one way or another. The current plan is to, as a first step, test the BL prevention code in the GE, which will be tested again this Friday, until it is perfected. Second, we will consider implementing a stamina effect in the game shape calculation code for training to offset the possible loss of game shape due to "forced" lineups. We might even think of some other measures in the meantime. Then, we will implement the empty lineup prevention code when it's ready for all match types along with the countermeasures.

Since the offseason processing is starting today, I will need to concentrate on that for a couple of days and will therefore have very limited time to post here. Therefore, I urge you to behave, stay on topic and be more constructive with your comments in the meantime. Thank you.

EDIT:

Thank you Westri for the clarification. I deleted my below message to keep us on topic after gaining the understanding that:

1. I can still submit an empty lineup for PL games.
2. Instead of the GE choosing which players to start and substitute, the coach will now fill in a lineup before the GE starts processing the game.


Last edited by Michael Wolf at 7/7/2014 4:27:18 PM