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Nababasa ko dito yung pagkakaroon ng mga farm teams ng ibang bansa para makapag focus train sila ng mga players nila...

Kung tama po ang pagkaintindi ko sa farm teams, pinagsasama nila ang mangilan ngilan sa kanilang mga NT players sa isang team para makapag focus train sila sa isang position...

Ano po ang position nyo regarding sa ganitong klase ng pagpapalakas ng NT?! Sang-ayon ba kayo sa ganitong sistema?! Maiisipan nyo ba na mag-implement ng ganito para lang makapagtrain tayo?!

Saka suggestion lang din pala, mas maganda po siguro kung bawasan natin ng konti ang pag-english natin para maiwasan na din ang pagscout sa atin ng ibang bansa di ba? At least kung magtagalog tayo ay mas mahirap nila yun intindihin kapag naisipan man nila na bumisita sa ating mga threads dito sa BB Pilipinas...

Who says that all managers train like me?

Kung ikaw mismo di mo maayos sarili mong team, pano mo ma expect na ung ibang managers ay ma train nila ng mabuti ang kanilang mga players? Aasa ka nalang na meron iba sa kanila na marunong mag train at sa ilang seasons ay may player na pwede sa nt?

Please.

Are you pointing out that when you said that very arrogant remark, that i would be preparing for you? I know you are one of the good managers here, but why the hell would I do that? I didn't play this game for you, man.

Not prepare for me, pero ready your team to face stiff competition in the future, pero from everyone. In the same reason that I trained my team to become great again; winning against you and shoving it to your face is icing on the cake.

My statement may have been arrogant, but you deserved it. Like I said a few seasons ago, ang kapal ng mukha mo to make that statement when I was down.

For those na wala pa dito nun, I had a team which was poised to take both the Philippine cup and the PPL trophy. I was at the finals na ng tournament and at 21-0 record if I recall correctly. Then I lost my team right before the finals, and ended up losing both. Although competition from Jubas was tight, I had a good chance of doing it. Tapos gagawa ka ng ganung thread, which clearly was against me, after ilang days lang of losing my team?

You were asking for it and rightfully deserved my remark.

I expect to win with the help of the U21 players... It's all about the skills of the players, tactics against the opponents, and dedication of the U21 players' owners to the U21...

Again like I pointed out, your comments always "safe". You claim that yan ung gagawin mo, pero walang concrete plan.

Your statement was very 'pulitiko' like in a sense, na sinasabi mo na "papaunlarin ko ang ating bayan sa pamamagitan ng inyong tulong and inyong tiwala", without giving your exact plan on how you would achieve that.

I suggest doing it in taglish kasi pwede pa din nila maintindihan ung sinasabi natin by copy pasting a post, then using google translation tools to understand it.

I'm surprised that Hayop knows about farm teams. I salute him and it only means that he has a deep understanding of the game, despite kakasimula pa lang nya. And ung computations nya for training one on one, and handling was superb.

Anyway, farm teams existed pa since Hattrick. Spring Chickens should know this. Kasi lumalaki ung sweldo ng player na sobra na sa budget ng isang normal na team. For example a divine++ player having 30million+ salary (HT denominations) a week. Sobra na to para sa budget ng isang team na meron pang ibang players na kailangan nya swelduhan.

Ngayon, a farm team will train this player until forever to get training pa din despite the fact that this will be somewhat of a reason for his team to lose games. Kasi to survive, he needs minimum gastos lang for the rest of his team and ung star player nya for the National team takes so much from his weekly budget.

In summary, strong star player, weak team members, strong star player gets trained every week.

Let me expound:

for example I have a team and pull something like this

18yo
all-time great
7'4

JS - JR -
OD - HD -
DR - PA -
IS respectable ID - respectable
RB respectable SB -

(- can be any level)

Which makes him the perfect trainee. As a farm team, I would train him for IS (C position only), REB (C and PF), ID (C position lang), for him to get the maximum amount of training every week. He could get another trainee pero focus would be on this player.

In the next few seasons, the manager should expect a player with monstrous stats and a 50-100k salary. Afaik, ganito ung nangyari sa U21 finals ng USA and Netherlands. Netherlands was so powerful for Team USA to handle, and with the correct stats, ended up winning the game by a huge margin. (4722235), (4722050) just to cite a few.

Medyo kakayanin nya ung salary, pero he will end up with a weaker team, kasi the player of the manager chose this road for his team.

Again, having a farm team is completely legal and should have no repercussions whatsoever. Pero, this should be within the rules, like bawal ung multiple teams, and such.

I would want to implement this IF managers would be willing and be dedicated to train a player for maraming seasons despite knowing its disadvantages. (ie, weaker team overall, high wages). It COULD be implemented only if managers would present themselves to do this, kasi I would not want to impose on them naman.

I will be busy during the weekend kaya this should be my last reply for a while.

Enjoy guys. :)

EDIT: added links

Last edited by JSmoove at 2/27/2009 1:28:22 PM

Kung ikaw mismo di mo maayos sarili mong team, pano mo ma expect na ung ibang managers ay ma train nila ng mabuti ang kanilang mga players? Aasa ka nalang na meron iba sa kanila na marunong mag train at sa ilang seasons ay may player na pwede sa nt?

Please.

People have their ways... hindi naman pwedeng lahat ng gawain e isu-spoonfeed mo... They may ask questions, pero hindi ako ang magmamando ng training nila... it's their choice naman kung ano gusto nila ng training... puro bigay lang ako ng idea...

ikaw ba gusto mong masabihan na mag training ka sa ganito ganyan kasi mahina ka sa ganito at ganyan and etc? just guide them, pero sa kanila pa rin ang daan

Not prepare for me, pero ready your team to face stiff competition in the future, pero from everyone. In the same reason that I trained my team to become great again; winning against you and shoving it to your face is icing on the cake.

ang feeling neto. sana lang makapalag ka pag nakatapat kita.

pero compare my ratings to yours. anong season kp nagsimula?

those two quotes are from you... and it's clearly contradicting...

May I ask why nga pala nawala yung team mong

poised to take both the Philippine cup and the PPL trophy

?

Your statement was very 'pulitiko' like in a sense, na sinasabi mo na "papaunlarin ko ang ating bayan sa pamamagitan ng inyong tulong and inyong tiwala", without giving your exact plan on how you would achieve that.

No, my statement was more like "Paaangatin ko ang bansa natin sa pamamagitan ng pag gamit ng kayamanan na inyong ibinigay, gagawin ko ang lahat upang sulitin ang bawat binigay ninyong hirap."

Yeah... it think na parang ganyan nga yung sinasabi ko...

And man, chill ka lang...

Last edited by Katchafire Collie at 2/27/2009 1:22:41 PM

People have their ways... hindi naman pwedeng lahat ng gawain e isu-spoonfeed mo... They may ask questions, pero hindi ako ang magmamando ng training nila... it's their choice naman kung ano gusto nila ng training... puro bigay lang ako ng idea...

ikaw ba gusto mong masabihan na mag training ka sa ganito ganyan kasi mahina ka sa ganito at ganyan and etc? just guide them, pero sa kanila pa rin ang daan

Another pacute and safe answer yet again.

those two quotes are from you... and it's clearly contradicting...

Please.

Nun pa lang, alam ko na kakayanin kita, hence that statement. Pero alam ko na mahihirapan ako with managers who know better ie Jubas and Aldo, not you, LOL despite your so called "experience". I wanted to have a good team again because I wanted to compete.

No, my statement was more like "Paaangatin ko ang bansa natin sa pamamagitan ng pag gamit ng kayamanan na inyong ibinigay, gagawin ko ang lahat upang sulitin ang bawat binigay ninyong hirap."

Yeah... it think na parang ganyan nga yung sinasabi ko...

And man, chill ka lang...

Sarcasm much? Another 'duh' statement.

Nun pa lang, alam ko na kakayanin kita, hence that statement. Pero alam ko na mahihirapan ako with managers who know better ie Jubas and Aldo, not you

I'm not taking that from you... why you always bringing that up when I, in the first place, wasn't saying anything about me dominating your team?

Sarcasm much? Another 'duh' statement.

nope, it was a reply to a post wherein it tends to mislead my posts...

Talunin ko kayo pareho e! hahahah. joke. asa pa ako.

Let's keep this clean guys, though this is very much entertaining me hehe.

Good points from TDP though I am still not sold on the slow tactics thing. Siguro kung ganito rin lang, I'd rather go with devastator's suggestion of having like a 'board of directors' type of setup where everyone gets to say what he thinks should be the tactic/approach of the u21/nt team, but with the winning manager of course having the final say. Kasi all these we can do even without being the manager. yun nga lang, nakakawalang gana to help on our part without being the manager talaga. so i guess this really requires dedication.

any tips for the Chile match? hehe joke.

Go guys. keep it going! :) Basta ako im very much willing to help for the improvement of the u21 team. even if it means dropping some of my u21 players in the NT roster (currently only maravilla)

Mukhang nag reshuffle na ng lineup ang Chile ah... no players.

paps, kung sakaling ako manalo sa U21, pa drop naman si Maravilla... need ko siya sa U21... si Enrile (3160434) na lang kunin mo or si Catalan (4145175)

Excellent post.

Kasi, di ko naman plano solohin ung u21 management. I would find managers who know about the tactics and game engine tendencies, and those who are interested sa NT para they can help me to make the right formations at the right time. We can be like a coaching team na lahat magkakaron ng inputs on what to do.

Again, because I hate being 'safe' I would expound.

Diba after training, which happens on Fridays, makikita natin ung skill pops and game shape ng players, correct? The coaching staff could convene and talk about what tactics should be used, taking into consideration pops and game shape. This could easily be done sa YM conference or whatever chatting site.

Pero since it is Friday and everyone siguro would be out on gimmicks or dates, I would suggest doing it on Saturday during or after the league games, para lahat halos online. And para makita natin ung game shape din ng kalaban after their training sked.

I will have the final say, pero inputs would certainly be taken into consideration.

About sa player builds, mahirap to achieve unless managers would present themselves to do this, and I have no experience pa owning such players, pero I am thinking of a build like:

PG (low offensive skills, more on defense, passing, etc.)

jr - resp to strong js - resp to strong
od - sens ha - trem
dr - trem pa - wondrous
is - resp to strong

More of like a CP3 guard who can drive inside and dish out. Should be useful for a Look Inside strategy.

SF (some scoring but purely defensive inside / outside or a combination)

jr - profi js - stro
od - trem ha -
dr - pa -
is - promi id - sens
reb promi

Ron Artest build. A top defender, but can be an offensive powerhouse as well.

Again, purely speculations and skills are not exact since wala pa ako experience having those, pero this should be a start. Like I said, we can only achieve this by efficient mentoring and training ng players. Minsan lang kasi lumabas sa draft ung ganyang players with unique skill sets. And they need to be near perfection, kasi height, age, and potential din kasi need to be aligned with his starting skills.

Sayang naman kung sasabihan lang natin ung owner ng 'go, focus training mo lang yan' or 'i add ko yan sa NT list ko'. Syempre, di ko naman pipilitin ung owner to train the player on what his build should be, pero inform him lang atleast on how to maximize his player.

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This should be my last reply na muna. I refuse to be dragged into 'duh' and 'senseless' arguments na kasi.

I have a test on Wednesday and should be busy until then. Whoever wins should read my loong and comprehensive posts man lang to have a plan to start with.

Guys, I want to announce that I am withdrawing my candidacy for this election.

It was fun, pero being a national team manager is a tedious task and I do not have the luxury of time. Anatomy sux, big time.

Ayoko lang makita na Katcha would win na naman with ease. If someone with a great plan wants to run, may time pa naman to register for the elections eh. Pwede pa.

I have outlined na the things that could be done to make the team great. Sana the winning coach would take time to read them.

To the following ppl who made this the most entertaining thread so far:

Katcha

Revenge stings like a bitch.

'Go focus train!' Seriously?

Cheri

You get my vote for your innocence.

Are you a boy, or a girl? If you happen to be a girl, chinita and maputi or is hot, don't be shy to send me a PM. :)

Devas

I feel inggit with Mabaquiao and Pinongan. I've always wanted to train guards, pero nauuwi ako sa Centers. It is not sacrifice when you can sell them for 2.5m atleast, each. :P

Norman

Hoy wag mo galingan pag ako kalaban mo! lol I wanted both you and Fil-Homes to be part of the kalabang conference para ma balance naman, kaso pareho pa kayo napunta sa amin.

Aldo

Oo may facebook ako, pero di ko inoopen.

Jubas

Nagulat ako dun sa Zatkovsky na un. Di ko napansin na may binili ka, tapos nakita ko nalang nung match na. Buti nalang naka chamba pa.

Superstar

Strong words from a newbie. ;)

Hayop

Kaw lang ung nagtanong about game engine and tactics. Dapat ma promote ka na agad soon. Basta dun ka pumunta sa kabilang conference dapat. :p

Fil-Homes

You have a player that should make the NT. Go, focus train!

That sucks.

Yeah I guess it's not sacrifice but it's just a long long looooooooong wait.. :p Pag nabenta ko na si Pinongan next season siguro may laban na. For now magtatanim muna ako.. Got me a hotshot rookie this draft ;)

I hope you are still willing to help out sa NT.