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191066.59 in reply to 191066.56
Date: 10/13/2011 5:07:42 PM
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I like both suggestions. Would definitely be an improvement.

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Date: 10/14/2011 6:47:41 AM
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Had any of the top 6 teams (or probably even France/Brazil) had HCA, I don't think we'd be getting such an interesting, exciting u21 WC.


Just a random fact

By the way, the teams that this season have HCA, some of them lost matchs also. I don't see any reason to remove HCA.

Last edited by Marot at 10/14/2011 6:48:32 AM

From: wozzvt

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Senegal is the only team that had HCA in this WC, and (no offense meant here) they're not in the same class as the rest of the teams. In fact, one of the solutions I proposed was to give HCA to teams that aren't really in the mix for the finals. That's what happened this time around, and so I was just pointing out how well it has worked.

From: B.B.King

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Date: 10/14/2011 8:53:58 AM
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With one game left in round two:
- 6 teams are still in the mix for the final 4.
- 3 teams still have a chance at the top seed for the semi-finals.
- There are a ton of crazy scenarios for how the final week will play out as all 6 top teams have a realistic chance at the title, and therefore have to weigh the effort options carefully.

At the same moment in last NT WC:
- 5 teams had chance to win medal
- 3 teams had chance to gain seed #1 before semis
- at least 4 teams had realistic chance to win title (in current U21 WC, not more than 5 teams have realistic chance to win tournament, You made mistake in calculations).
I don't see big difference ;-) Little differences are always possible because of schedule, strategy, mistakes of NT managers (e.g. China destroyed enthusiasm before first round of current U21 WC), good luck or bad luck (game shape, injuries), etc.

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Date: 10/14/2011 11:25:55 AM
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At the same moment in last NT WC:
- 5 teams had chance to win medal
- 3 teams had chance to gain seed #1 before semis
- at least 4 teams had realistic chance to win title (in current U21 WC, not more than 5 teams have realistic chance to win tournament, You made mistake in calculations).
I don't see big difference ;-) Little differences are always possible because of schedule, strategy, mistakes of NT managers (e.g. China destroyed enthusiasm before first round of current U21 WC), good luck or bad luck (game shape, injuries), etc.

Err, I know this is a bit of a personal issue for you guys, but at this time last year, there was 1 team in contention for gold, as evidenced by your 45 point semi-final win, and 22 point final win. There wasn't anyone even close.

So, kudos and congratulations. But this year's U21 WC is way more entertaining.

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Date: 10/14/2011 2:49:08 PM
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Well i was talking in general, not only about u21.

If you pick teams from ranking 50-99 and you give them the HCA i doubt there's going to be any different in the results.

I find more interesting to give the HCA to a better NT, maybe it's hard, but it's a funny challenge to try to beat them.

From: Coolbobj

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Well i was talking in general, not only about u21.

If you pick teams from ranking 50-99 and you give them the HCA i doubt there's going to be any different in the results.

I find more interesting to give the HCA to a better NT, maybe it's hard, but it's a funny challenge to try to beat them.


If you give HCA to better NT, then it makes it more boring. Giving HCA top a top 5 or maybe even a top 10 team is practically giving them the title.

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Date: 10/15/2011 8:57:19 AM
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Well i was talking in general, not only about u21.

If you pick teams from ranking 50-99 and you give them the HCA i doubt there's going to be any different in the results.

I find more interesting to give the HCA to a better NT, maybe it's hard, but it's a funny challenge to try to beat them.


It depends. When I started as U21-Coach we were ranked 52 - I would have liked to get HCA for the WC then ... but anyway. I think it is good to give it to teams with a lower ranking ... and I don't know how "funny" it is to try to beat - let's say ... Italy, Poland, China, USA ... when they're having HCA. That's almost impossible - maybe just with CT and high enth. which they also would have if the could have played TIE every game because of HCA ...

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Date: 10/17/2011 5:35:12 PM
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I suggest to give it to last team in NT rankings. I mean the very last but if you insist on a host participating make it lowest raked qualified team (directly as continental finalist if it has to be announced at season update - which I don't think is necessary, may be more exciting the other way and hosting nation couldn't plan ahead). The only problem I see that currently that would mean most of the WC played in Africa which I am ok with but BB always bubbling about different locations and variety of timezones. Make it lowest ranked one if WC hadn't taken place in tha continet for x last seasons and in that country for y last seasons.

I mean, it is not earned it is just luck now and top teams shouldn't get any advantage by random. Continental championship are awarded by result in consolatiopn tournament which is quite fair and earned the hard way while in the case of the mroe importantn championship it is done by dumb luck or BBs' decision (whatever is your point of view on that).

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Date: 11/1/2011 6:09:21 PM
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I suppose BB's have been influenced from this weak/bad sugestion, since the new country that will host the WC will be Slovensko(that is not going to play the WC).


Always the best national team wins the title even if they play away, at home or in neutral court.

Last edited by Marot at 11/1/2011 6:09:40 PM

From: docend24

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Taht's funny because
Will the roar of the home fans be enough to propel them deep into the tournament?
I guess it is more a geographical fail than decision then.

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