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We are cool. Good luck!

Everyone, well everyone except mllama, Nico and Dire, starts with a crappy team in division IV. It is what you can do later that sets the men apart from the boys. If you are keen to help the U21 team then that is exactly what you should do. Iwen is bringing back the mentoring system this season, volunteer to be a mentor. That is exactly what Leeroy and Bainsy and even Whitebeard did to raise their profiles and become better known in the community.

There is a lot of work to do running an U21 team, scouting, mentoring, tactics and diplomacy. It is a two season tenure and no-one is going to vote for someone that hasn't shown some ability to excel and soe longevity. You don't need to be in the ABBL, I can think of several experienced division III teams, Bainsy, Leeroy, PossumPete, Maggots, zyler, Akuma and others that would get votes if they ran.

Good luck in your BB adventure but at the moment you should probably be getting advice not giving it. For example just a 10 second look at your team shows me that you have paid a fortune to have young, high potential players at every position from your 19 year old 6'0" PG, your 19 year old 6'1" MVP SF to your 19 year old 7'3" superstar C. Maybe there is some sense but as I said after 10 seconds I don't see it.

Last edited by yodabig at 11/7/2011 1:33:45 AM

Whilst Niko started with a team in the ABBL, he now he has a good team (maybe? haven't seen his recent transfers) in Div III. :/

having looked at your team i have a few questions for you , just so i / we can see your level of understanding of the game.

1 , what is your current training plan for your trainees , and who are your trainees ?

2, how will you manage gameshape ?

3, can you explain how effective 2-3 defense is in this game ?

4, your thoughts on the shotblocking skill ?

5, your thoughts on cross training ? and the elastic effect ?

damn Z.. should i quit now? i cant answer half those questions.. prolly explains why the dreamers are so rubbish :D

First of all i am not going to keep explaining myself to everyone. I HAVE SAID THAT I AM ONE FOR THE FUTURE!! i do hope people are getting the message. But seen as though you are the first one to ask me specific questions i will answer them:
1. i have said that i want players on my OWN team from their rookie season so they all might look like prospects/trainees (whatever you want to call them) but i have been advised by iwen to train my big c as i said before, iwen said he is a "great prospect" I am training him in Inside shooting, inside defence and rebounding as equally as i can. Now i am trying to find a second big man prospect to train along side my main guy. I would love to train my sg/pg but simply cant until c meets iwens requirements.
2. gameshape i would like to give my players close to 1 and a half games a week as possible so like 60mins to keep them at repectable or strong.
3. bro i play bball everyday so i know that playing a 2-3 would obviously focus more on inside d, so would be good against teams with better big guys. but it would leave perimiter guys more open than usual.
4. shotbloocking is probably not that important for me but idk what yous think. (probably get attacked again)
5. Now this topic im not so familiar with (being honest). All i know so far is that you can train for eg shooting range and it helps shooting aswell. But yeah im guessing thats not it. sorry do not know what elastic effect is.
Anyway over time and with all of your help guys, i hope to gain more knowledge and when im FINALLY READY to actually have a proper crack at coaching gig, then yous can critically analyse everything that i do

Ok I'm bored at work and will try and help you out here. I'm not trying to criticize you, rather help you out a little.

I would also recommend you join the offsite forum (if it's still working) and sign up for the mentor program. There you can get advice from a number of the top Australian coaches in your own private thread. Somebody also mentioned the Fishbowl PL, find the Australia - IV.7 forums and ask questions in there if you want as well.

1. While having players on your team since they are 18/19 might sound like a good idea, it probably isn't going to work out in the long run. The reason being (and you've already mentioned it) is you can only focus on so many players to train at one time. If you are going to train C's to begin with, that leaves your guards untrained until you finish training big men. By that time, they will probably be 21 or close to it in which the effects of training slow down significantly and it would probably be a waste to even try and train them. Finding a second C to train along side your main trainee is definitely a good idea and you should be able to pick somebody up relatively cheap. You don't need MVP+ potential and you will often find that 18yo with superstar or perennial allstar potential are significantly cheaper than those with a high potential yet same starting skill set.

2. You already have the right idea in keeping your players to roughly 60mins a week, however respectable game shape isn't actually that great. Aim to keep your players in proficient game shape.

3. There are many people who believe 2-3 is actually "broken" and don't advice people to use it at all. I'm sure you can find more info on this if you search but basically man to man is believed to be the 'best' defense against an inside focused team. Using outside based defences (ie, 3-2) can also be used which will stop any passes from being made to the

4. Agreed, shot blocking doesn't seem to be that important and just jacks up the price of big men ridiculously for minimal benefits.

5. Yes basically cross training is where you train one skill and there is a small effects on all the other skills. I'm yet to see any effect of cross training but it's only been around for a season now. The elastic effect is where you train one skill so it is much higher than the others and will then cause the other skills to train faster as they try to catch up to the other, much higher skill. I haven't really read much about this but it was my understand that as one skill went significantly higher than the others it slowed down so I'm not sure how much benefit you actually gain by doing this.

I started with a crappy team in the ABBL, does that count?

my comment was in no way meant to mock you or have a go at you , your passion for the game is clear and a great quality .

the reason i asked the questions was to get an understanding of how well you know this game , as this game is far from actually basketball.

for example here 2-3 zone is basically broken - it doesnt stop inside attacks well at all and leaves everyone open for mid range jumpers and treys . here in buzzer beater OD is so strong that running a 3-2 in most cases will be more effective then running a 2-3 against an inside focused team.

as for your trainees i assume iwen has explained to you here in buzzer beater if you want to train effectively you can only train bigs or smalls not both (training small forwards being the exception)

and to get the most out of your trainees you must do one position training , and that each player needs 48 mins in the position of the skill your training. meaning only 3 of your players get training each week.

the same three will get trained all season , the other players on your team will not improve at all , so if there young n have potential they just go to waste . thus its better to sell those players and buy 23+ year olds to fill your non trainee spots realitive to the strength of your league.

gameshape your spot on but do you understand how to set a line up to accomplish this ? also d you know how to set up a line up to manage your trainees mins correctly to make sure there getting 48 mins per game ?

shotblocking is consider by most the worse skill in the game and a complete waste to have , even a few small levels of sb can cost you lots of salary room in tthe bigger leagues .

cross training is a new feature where ten% of your trainees efforts in training gets placed to a random skill .
as for elastics im sure iwen will know lots about this , but basically its about training certain skills up to a point so that a related skill gets a large speed burst in training effectively causing him to pop faster then normal.

i respect the honesty and forwardness you have displayed since coming forward and believe you will be one to watch for the future.

Last edited by zyler at 11/7/2011 2:50:22 AM

only half counts :-P

Thanks for the comments