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216410.596 in reply to 216410.590
Date: 8/16/2012 6:57:10 AM
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I don't think it's a problem, a slight decrease to the gains from tanking needed to be made. Honestly tanking should be a viable tactic just like training, buying up, day trading and any other tactic I've not mentioned. Everybody play the game differently.

Although with less profit I could see player value to further decrease as there's less money in the economy. =/

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216410.597 in reply to 216410.595
Date: 8/16/2012 7:01:19 AM
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Why shouldn't tanking be totally stopped? Its annoying, makes half the games each season a bore, and seems to bore the crap out of the people who do it. I can't see any redeming qualities in tanking whatsoever - I'd be delighted if it got wiped.

That said, with a salary floor of around 400K, that should go a fair way towards wiping it out - especially when you consider the fan survey effects of tanking, and the guaranteed drop to D2.

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216410.598 in reply to 216410.597
Date: 8/16/2012 7:23:18 AM
Koopasaurus
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so 130k for 11 weeks = 1.43mil less for tanking abbl teams.

considering you need a 700k roster to compete for 5th spot. Thats still 3.3mil gained for not trying.

not too shabby.. do that a few times... add in a few 1mil promotion money. You can be competing for the B3 in a few seasons!
hahahah just saying.

It still won't stop "tanking".

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216410.600 in reply to 216410.597
Date: 8/16/2012 7:30:49 AM
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Why shouldn't tanking be totally stopped? Its annoying, makes half the games each season a bore, and seems to bore the crap out of the people who do it :P. I can't see any redeming qualities in tanking whatsoever - I'd be delighted if it got wiped.



Why Id argue that a profit should still be available for those who drop to the salary floor is this.

Not every promotee to div2 or div 1 is going to be able to compete and stay up.

Whether it be; not being able to afford a competitive roster (a lot easy now than 3 or 4 seasons ago), not having a large enough stadium or not having the expertise of a BB Legend like yourself, Bryce, Whitebeard or Dire.

For these teams on occassions it might be better to focus on training and to make a small profit from tanking than what it is to push themselves, when they cant avoid relegation anyhow.

Some times such a decision might be made half season when despite their previous best efforts in the first half of a season, its a waste to continue headbutting a brick wall.

I also agree with the previous post, that you need managers to have a number of strategies to choose from.

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 8/16/2012 7:33:09 AM

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216410.601 in reply to 216410.598
Date: 8/16/2012 7:35:28 AM
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I dunno whether you need 700K to get 5th - Teams like Aussie and Yoda were running more like 600K, and managed to get second.

So if we go down to 600K wage budget, there goes $1.1m of the difference.

A team that finishes 8th gets less income (I assume) than one that finishes 5th. Lets say that's around 50K a week (it may be more, or less, I have no idea).

So there goes 550K of that.

Then the following season in D2, teams that get relegated get hit pretty heavily in crowd numbers no? So in order to repromote, a team would have to run a wage budget at least at the breakeven point. Maybe beyond. While the team in the ABBL is probably earning around 150K a week if they are at 600K wages.

So that's another $1.65m of difference gone.

Plus the tanking team probably exits the cup earlier than a team going for 5th. That could be another 100-200K or difference gone.

Taking all that into account, and the team going for 5th comes out ahead.

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216410.602 in reply to 216410.598
Date: 8/16/2012 7:42:51 AM
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Yeah, it's still too easy to buy back up. Biggest problem isn't tanking but actually player values. Too many top class players going for cheap as chips. Probably an excess of supply and need to somehow reduce the number by either reduce free agency by like 80% or reduce the number of Superstar+ potential players in the draft. More mid tier potential type draftees instead.

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216410.603 in reply to 216410.600
Date: 8/16/2012 7:43:25 AM
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I'm aware that you don't want to punish new promotees who simply can't compete. But I think the system that encourages those teams to simply give up is silly. And the way tanking has been the past few seasons, these teams aren't making a small profit, they are making a large profit and getting a silly advantage. And its no fun for anyone involved (after all, that's what this game is about...).

I'd much rather the system encourages such teams to have a 550K - 600Kish roster, be competitive, earn a small profit, and if they relegate, so be it - they still go down with a bit of cash.

The other issue with this, is its not just new promotees using this system. Teams like yourself and bryce would have had no problems being playoff teams this season - but rather chose to tank. That suggests the system is flawed.

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216410.604 in reply to 216410.601
Date: 8/16/2012 7:56:34 AM
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A team that finishes 8th gets less income (I assume) than one that finishes 5th. Lets say that's around 50K a week (it may be more, or less, I have no idea).


sitting around 6-7 all season, my merch was only 40k and gate receipts only 430k ... 140k or so a week less than what I was getting last season hovering around 4th - 5th most of the season.

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216410.605 in reply to 216410.604
Date: 8/16/2012 8:30:31 AM
Koopasaurus
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but this is your like 4th or 5th season in the abbl.
I would imagine a new abbl promotee would have no problem filling out the stadium. 500k from arena sales compared to 430k thanks to the promotion boost.

there is no problem with tanking to save a bit of cash... like whitebeard said.. the problem is that quality players can be bought for next to nothing...

we wouldnt even be having this convo if good players went for a lot more, cos back in the day 1 season of tanking can only buy 1 good player at most... now u can buy a whole team and instantly compete.

back in the day it would take ages for a div3 or div2 team to build up a team to promote, now you see div 3 teams with 500k+ salaries and div2 teams with 600k+ salaries.

thats the salaries of yodabig and aussie pride all season whom finished second in their respective conferences LOL


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216410.606 in reply to 216410.603
Date: 8/16/2012 8:58:40 AM
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The other issue with this, is its not just new promotees using this system. Teams like yourself and bryce would have had no problems being playoff teams this season - but rather chose to tank. That suggests the system is flawed.


Totally agree with you (plus one) however the change in floor will certainly reduce the size of the carrot.

I agree that I have an unfair advantage should I promote back up with my current bank balance if the player market is not fixed.

Big win for me was not tanking but the fact that I sold players for reasonable money in a market which has continued to fall

I have not ended up anywhere near as rich as I thought I would though, as I got hit hard on attendance and because I tried to train young trainees who have lost value, despite the expense of having a top trainer

Kind of ironic my first season in the ABBL i was critised for heaps (most of the time justly) one of the things I was criticised for was not tanking.

Truth is despite all my seasons playing the game I am so far in nous and ability behind the likes of Whitehead as a Manager its not funny.

Only just now (this last half season) starting to figure out some of his "ways"


Last edited by Sid Vicious at 8/16/2012 9:01:01 AM

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