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101838.6 in reply to 101838.5
Date: 7/19/2009 5:08:23 PM
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lol this is the kind off answer i see sooooooooooo often. are you trying to say in the first 2 quarters his shooting was like 3-6 for example and than detoriated to 3-21???? sounds very unlikely to me. not a stamina issue at all...

i know you are trying to help but if this game really would work like that would be a very silly GE dont you agree?

Last edited by Astragoth at 7/19/2009 5:09:21 PM

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101838.7 in reply to 101838.6
Date: 7/19/2009 7:11:32 PM
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How good is the rest of the team's passing? Having good passing teammates is important for getting high quality shots.

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101838.8 in reply to 101838.1
Date: 7/19/2009 7:17:22 PM
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If you take away that game and the game on the 4th of July then he is shooting 48.4% which isn't horrible, it's not great, but it's not horrible

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101838.9 in reply to 101838.1
Date: 7/19/2009 7:44:51 PM
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Depends on the quality of your opponents. In itself, strong inside shot is not good enough to have a high %. Besides, your centre only has the inside shot as the offensive weapon. Jump shot can not be relied on.

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101838.10 in reply to 101838.6
Date: 7/20/2009 1:28:58 AM
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I believe the GE is sophisticated enough that there is no one simple factor to explain a player's performance.

Amongst the good hints already given to ShohokuZ I added one I thought worthy.
As y2bulldog pointed out, it's specifically in the last game the shooting percentage was horrible and also a second game on the 4th.

This player is used as a back up and usually plays 15-20 mns a game. When his time on court goes up, his shooting % dramatically goes down.

I am not funny. Never ;) If his atrocious stamina takes no part in his performance when playing 61 minutes in one game then having a stamina skill is very silly.

Here is the player in scrutiny (9493696).

I hope it's now elaborated enough for you.

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101838.11 in reply to 101838.10
Date: 7/20/2009 3:08:50 AM
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in my games the system is very silly normally ;) Normally the engine is intelligent enough to find good shots, so you could raise shooting percentages in making the other players shoot better, because he don't take the hard one.

Bad stamina normally has more the effect that he get changed more often.

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101838.12 in reply to 101838.11
Date: 7/20/2009 3:42:45 AM
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The GE is not designed to find good shots :)
Based on skills and other factors, the GE will calculate if you have a good or difficult shot. You will sometimes take bad opportunities and it's on purpose. He is wicked you know ;)

Regarding stamina, the rules states :

Stamina : A player with high stamina will tire more slowly, and can be effective for longer periods on the court.


I interpret if a player is tired and not substituted he will be less efficient. It matches my observation and it's my opinion you can disagree with.







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101838.13 in reply to 101838.12
Date: 7/20/2009 3:46:59 AM
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i have some player who nearly don't have an offensive output and just take the buzzer beaters or 1-2 shots in a full game ...

So if the system just decide if it easy or not, why those players don't take 10-15 shots like other player on this positon with the same tactic, instead of tacking just 1 which they hit with a normal probability + 2 buzzers?

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101838.14 in reply to 101838.13
Date: 7/20/2009 4:05:41 AM
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I never meant the system just decides if a shot is easy or not.
It's the core of the GE to calculate the quality and the odds of a shot for each play. Do you agree on this simple statement ?

For your player, how do I know ? I am trying to be thoughtful, I am not trying to answer everything with no information and I am not pretending I can explain the GE from A to Z.

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101838.15 in reply to 101838.14
Date: 7/20/2009 4:14:51 AM
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Maybe you see it in your team too, that "good" offensiv player take moe shots then medium or bad ones, but the shooting percentages is pretty even betwen your players(on the long run single games could have a great disparity).

So if a player takes above 20 shots, he is normally able to hit solid percentages. And not only the stamina, or maybe the stamina from the whole team who collapsed through the OT.

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101838.16 in reply to 101838.15
Date: 7/20/2009 6:15:36 AM
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Who is taking a shot is dependant on several factors and being a good offensive player is one. Good offensive players tend to take more shots over a season maybe but I have lost games because bad shooters were wasting too many possessions. One tactical problem to solve is to "encourage" the GE to favour the best shooting opportunities.
The shooting percentages are not even between my players. I think a 10% difference over a season is a lot. It's not necessarily my best offensive players leading in percentage, again, many factors.

I don't think Chernobrov was bad during OT, he was bad right from the beginning.
I am not trying to understand his season % which is relatively good but why his % is so terrible in this game.
He usually plays 15 minutes or so presumably in mid/end QT against weaker or more tired players, it might help his season percentage.

y2bulldog calculated a 48.8 % taking away the 18/07 and 04/07 games.
16-33 in 119mn in 6 games averaging roughly 20mn/game against presumably weaker/more tired players.
In his last game as a starter, he struggles from the start against stronger opposition than usual, better/not tired players. On top of it, his efficiency dives quickly due to his bad stamina. And he played as long as 61 mns.
With a 'better' stamina skill relatively to the opponent C and the opponent team, his efficiency could have raised though the game.

I see you think he took 21 shoots because he had good shoot opportunities. I don't think so. And he was not the preferred solution in offense.
Amongst the starters and disregarding FT and fouled shots :
PG : 27 attempts in 54 mns, 1 attemp every 2 mn
SG : 14 in 45, 1 every 3.2 mn
SF : 24 in 50, 1 every 2 mn
PF : 15 in 43, 1 every 2.8 mn
C : 21 in 61, 1 every 3 mn
You will see by yourself that every back up player had more attempts by minute than Chernobrov. Apart from the starter SG, he is the least favored chance in offense. He took a lot of shoots because he spent a lot of time in the court, not because he was a good offense chance.

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