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138532.6 in reply to 138532.5
Date: 3/31/2010 3:39:38 PM
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I believe in the weekly stats section that the minutes are rounded. Because he only played 25 seconds, that gets rounded down to 0. In the weekly stats section, players that have played 0 minutes don't get shown (that's why after 1 match there are players on your roster that aren't shown on the weekly stats page as they have played 0 minutes.

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138532.7 in reply to 138532.5
Date: 3/31/2010 3:42:16 PM
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As for why the player got subbed out, perhaps it is a stamina issue. It is possible that your player was just too tired to continue playing and so someone got subbed in for him. And I know 25 seconds isn't much rest, but that 25 second might have been at the end of a quarter, in which case he would get extra rest.

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138532.8 in reply to 138532.7
Date: 3/31/2010 4:07:03 PM
Talentinho
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That goes against the entire principle of strictly follow depth chart and making sure there are no subs for him. However, you are not sure in your answer, I'm hoping someone who is can answer.

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138532.9 in reply to 138532.8
Date: 3/31/2010 4:16:38 PM
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It's not that I'm not sure, its more that I can't see what your players stamina level is. Setting Strictly follow depth chart doesn't gaurantee the player gets 48 minutes. As you mentioned, in blow out situations players can get subbed. Training is not supposed to be really easy. If you have low stamina, then players can, and do get subbed out. It's just like in real life, if your starter is out of breath then the coach ought to sub him out, the coaches job is to win games, not ensure you get training minutes.

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138532.10 in reply to 138532.9
Date: 3/31/2010 5:25:03 PM
Talentinho
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It was not a blow out. And the fact that he is his own back-up and reserve should keep him out there. Every other back-up was in the game, since there was hardly any time left and the win was in the bag. His stamina is sufficient. But once again, I'll wait for an official response instead of yours.

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138532.11 in reply to 138532.10
Date: 3/31/2010 11:15:43 PM
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Naker is correct.... the substitution algorithm is a fuzzy logic algorithm, so as to robustly handle all possible situations that could occur with various players in multiple depth chart positions, and various state of injury and foul trouble and blowouts, etc etc etc etc. As a result, strictly follow depth chart can be overruled if some of the factors the fuzzy logic takes in as weights are sent to regimes that are not normally covered... ie if your player is so incredibly exhausted that he has infinitesimal efficacy, the coach is gonna let him get some water.

Think of it this way.. your player passed out and had to be taken off the court for medical attention.. though he wasn't injured.

The substitution algorithm was not designed to optimize training, it was designed to be a realistic assessment of how a coach makes substitution decisions with some amount of managerial input.

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138532.12 in reply to 138532.10
Date: 3/31/2010 11:45:52 PM
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Points to follow if you want to have your player on court for 48+ minutes:
1. Make sure you have him assigned as started, sub ,reserve (one training spot means use 9 players or less for the game).
2. Make sure your player has enough stamina to run the offence/defence selected.
3. Make sure you blow out your opponent or let your team get blown out (every close game your coach will sub in need of better rebounding, better FT, better 3p shooting etc)
4. Make sure you select let them play and strictly follow depth chart.
5. Make sure your trainee aggressivness is not high level (you can prolly see this early in his career, it's better to sell those overaggressive players).
6. Make sure your player does not get injured often (gotta love that random).
I have stated these things plenty of times. Gotta copy those somewhere in case someone complains again about the same thing. Getting 48+ minutes in a game is not supposed to be a walk in the park, unless you are playing a scrub team in scrimmage.

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138532.13 in reply to 138532.11
Date: 4/1/2010 5:42:28 AM
Talentinho
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If that really is the case, act it as if he fainted, I can accept that. However, it does make me wonder why the coach didn't call a time-out, since he had not used a single one thus far? And yes, I know and understand training is not supposed to be easy, but shouldn't the coaches primary concern be to achieve the goal the manager has set for him? By calling a time-out, somewhere in the game, he would have still followed orders. Yes, there's no crying over spilled milk, but I would only like to know if you do not find it strange for a coach to not call a time-out to reach his achievement, with nothing else on the line anymore?

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138532.14 in reply to 138532.13
Date: 4/1/2010 7:51:48 AM
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Why doesnt coach tell the player with 5 fouls, to let his opponent score instead of fouling him? Or perhaps suggest that with even 4 fouls? You are trying campaign for the option to implement "play him 48 minutes nomatter what". Next rule would keep players playing with injury etc.
I like that when targeting 48+ with one game it adds some suspence. You take a risk, usually it works, sometimes crap happens (injuries, fouling, close games). You just have to take those missed 25 seconds like a man. Crying over something so trivial in the bugs section has no value in the long run.

Last edited by Kukoc at 4/1/2010 7:53:31 AM

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138532.15 in reply to 138532.14
Date: 4/2/2010 9:39:05 AM
Talentinho
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You are seeing what you want to see, instead of the point I'm trying to make. It is ridiculous that you come up with a bizarre statement that a next rule would keep players playing with injury. Totally beside the point. I am in no way advocating that. I am talking about the logic of substitutions. As Forrest stated, somewhat manager input, then still it does not make sense to not use a time-out but bring in a player who wasn't selected for that position. And in no way am I asking whether or not you enjoy the suspence or you telling me you think something is trivial or not. So if you discuss, you should stick to the facts and not voice your opinion. So once again, I'll ask Forrest, do you think under these circumstances I have shown here, that it would be more logical for a coach to take a time-out instead of taking out that player?

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138532.16 in reply to 138532.15
Date: 4/2/2010 9:54:05 AM
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that depends on whether you think the coach is more concerned with winning the game or completing training.

If its a close game, particularly if he is down.. saving his timeouts for the end of game situation is highly valuable.

He of course can't tell whether the game is going to be close with perfect timing... we are not going to alter the coaching logic to make training easier in the game.... there is just no compelling reason to mess with the Game Engine logic in that way.. which could produce other unexpected bugs etc.

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