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Date: 12/9/2010 5:21:32 PM
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The problem comes from your guards being unable to get the other player's the ball. As the shot clock winds down, your guards have the logic that taking a bad shot is still better than not being able to get a shot off at all.

Getting better passers would be a start. Also as mentioned, experience will help a little.

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Date: 12/9/2010 5:33:54 PM
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For some reason people have failed to read the last sentence of my original post and are assuming I'm talking about guards. I'm not. I'm talking about role players in all positions who don't shoot well. Look at any such player on the TL and look at other players on the same team who are good scorers and you will see what I mean. In fact keep looking for a couple of weeks and you might understand the pattern that the GE throws up.

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Date: 12/9/2010 5:41:20 PM
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For some reason people have failed to read the last sentence of my original post and are assuming I'm talking about guards. I'm not. I'm talking about role players in all positions who don't shoot well. Look at any such player on the TL and look at other players on the same team who are good scorers and you will see what I mean. In fact keep looking for a couple of weeks and you might understand the pattern that the GE throws up.

To have effective role-players, several things need to happen:

1. Players you don't want to shoot the ball have to have high passing and experience. Not just so-so passing and so-so experience.

2. You have to actually have to have an overwhelmingly better offensive option. That is, someone else on your roster should be overwhelmingly better than their defender -- and have in mind that the AI coach makes adjustment, so just being so-so in this department will, again, not do.

3. You have to play a slow tactic. It's important that your squad keeps moving the ball until they find your overwhelmingly better offensive option for a shot.

The pattern that the GE throws up are highly contingent on what you throw _in_ the game engine. GIGO.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 12/9/2010 5:41:41 PM

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I still wonder why my best sharpshooter is not fouled on every of his shot attempts ( despite shooting only 20% from the free throw line (9260597)

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I still wonder why my best sharpshooter is not fouled on every of his shot attempts ( despite shooting only 20% from the free throw line (9260597)

He's so quick people can't get close enough to him to foul him

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To get you started, look at this team(58238). Look at the season stats of the 2 centers who play in the frontcourt. This is the scoring guy (9040874) and other you can figure out yourself.

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According to that Kendrick Perkins would be garbage. He is not a great passer or shooter. Yet he shoots over 55%, I think around 60 last season. Of course I can only compare to real basketball, not logic internally obtained from this game itself. If people want to do that then this suggestions forum is just farce.

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To get you started, look at this team(58238). Look at the season stats of the 2 centers who play in the frontcourt. This is the scoring guy (9040874) and other you can figure out yourself.

What exactly are we supposed to look at?

They can't pass, have no experience to speak of, and have still taken less shots combined than the "scoring guy". I don't see what point you're proving by showing that someone has less horrid role players that ultimately perform like ... horrid role players.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 12/9/2010 6:01:26 PM

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good example that you could have such role players, the other guy makes a shot every 7 minutes that much behind the average of a player ;)

And yes i had two player like this in my roster in the past, and they usually shot at the end of the clock and not very often. And when they shot early, they normally had a quite normal percentage but because of the relativ high numbers of difficult forced shots the overall percentage of bad offense players was bad. And they also makes it more difficult to score for your team mates, because the defence will adjust for it(or something like the rating are included into the formula), the bb makes a quote in this direction i believe but also my experience tell me that.

Edit: but i think it is easier to implement such an defensiv option for a c then a guard, but you could look at old games of "TSV Bogen" for a concept of it.

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According to that Kendrick Perkins would be garbage. He is not a great passer or shooter. Yet he shoots over 55%, I think around 60 last season. Of course I can only compare to real basketball, not logic internally obtained from this game itself. If people want to do that then this suggestions forum is just farce.

Kendrick Perkins is both a pretty decent passer and a pretty decent shooter. He's not Shaq, but he's not in any way comparable to the players you're pushing into the discussion.

If you're looking for a really crappy inside shooters, that's Ben Wallace/Reggie Evans category (coincidentally, both of these have career shooting percentages in the .400s).

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Date: 12/9/2010 6:16:57 PM
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You've obviously never seen a Scot Pollard play basketball.

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