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166078.6 in reply to 166078.5
Date: 12/13/2010 3:38:28 AM
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In the unlikely event that 2 teams have the same PD, then the team with the higher points for is ranked higher


This is a bogus rule. Just sayin...
They shouldnt favor better offensive teams at the cost of better defensive teams if they are equally good.

yeah in soccer/football, during the cup contestant when there are 2 games, one in each team's home. if the sum of both games is a tie, the team that scores more in the away game gets to advance if for example you win 1-0 at home and lose 1-2 away you advance


not only at such ko games, also in normal league.

But it isn't that unusual in absketball too, after the head to head and point differential comparison.

And head to head don't work here, cause of the one games inter conference series.

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166078.8 in reply to 166078.6
Date: 12/13/2010 3:07:04 PM
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And head to head don't work here, cause of the one games inter conference series.


That's why they could use conference records instead of head to head. And why wouldn't head to head work? Each team plays 2 games with each team in its conference. So in the case of a team winning 2-0, head to head should work.
A one game tiebreaker could work too.

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166078.10 in reply to 166078.8
Date: 12/13/2010 3:18:29 PM
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And head to head don't work here, cause of the one games inter conference series.


That's why they could use conference records instead of head to head. And why wouldn't head to head work? Each team plays 2 games with each team in its conference. So in the case of a team winning 2-0, head to head should work.
A one game tiebreaker could work too.


a one game tie breaker would be in most cases the home team, if you compare teams of the same strength. And this draw is mostly random, which isn't the best solution i think.

And i don't like so many special rules, so that wouldn't like a rule which handles interconference tie breaks different then conference tie breaks.

And if we get head to head, i want another end game logic too ;)

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166078.11 in reply to 166078.7
Date: 12/13/2010 3:36:35 PM
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The rule is standard and is typically applied as a second tiebreaker in most sports.


Sorry, this is not true (At least for the US, I dont know what sports they play in bulgaria...)

In football (American football), head-to-head is the first tiebreaker, then division records, then common games, then conference records. In the case of BB, the "divisions" are the "conferences", because BB doesnt divide the conferences by locations (east, north, south, etc.). The teams' net points (total points scored) do not come into play until the 9th tiebreaker.

In baseball, for a division tie, they use head-to-head first, then intradivision games, then higher winning percentage in the last half of the season, then the winning percentage in the last half of the season +1 game, last half +2 games, etc.
For a wildcard, a tiebreaker game is used.
Runs scored are not even considered in this tiebreaker.

For basketball, it is H2H, then division record, conference record, record against teams that qualified for playoffs, points differential.
Again, net points are not considered in the tiebreaker either.

These are the three major/most popular/most competitive team sports in the US, and from high school (and below) to professional level, tiebreakers rarely involve net points, because it unfairly favors the better offensive team.
From my experience (I've played four team sports competitively, H2H, division records, and one game playoffs have always decided a tiebreaker for the postseason.)
As for BB, the closest comparison is the NBA (being basketball), which does not consider total points for tiebreakers. If they did, if teams like the Spurs or Celtics faced this situation, they would be unfairly screwed over.

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166078.13 in reply to 166078.12
Date: 12/14/2010 12:33:15 AM
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This is why I love you kozzy.

Can you smell what the Hobos are cooking... oh wait its just Roger. (18085274)
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166078.14 in reply to 166078.13
Date: 12/14/2010 4:37:28 AM
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You love him why? He was actually just being a jerk and rude for no reason. The guy simply pointed out that it's not standard and that there are other procedures. Yet because he was an American he was pegged for being self-centered. He was just using his knowledge of his countries sports as measuring stick. If he had been from any other country nobody would have cared. But forget that.

Back to his overall point, guess what?! He's right. The FIBA World Championships aren't decided by goals for. The first tie breaker is head to head. What about the Olympics? Again Head to head. Are these games all neutral sites? No because some country has to host these events. So the argument that 1 team had home court doesn't hold water because even in real life, someone can have a home court advantage for a tie breaker.

I'm not saying that head to head is a better tie breaking method. I'm just saying that the international basketball competitions use head to head as the tie breaker, and not points for.

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166078.15 in reply to 166078.14
Date: 12/14/2010 5:21:24 AM
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He only pointed out sports in the US so he is being bias and self cenetred. Looks like he wants the world to follow the US which is not happening. We roll how we want.
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166078.16 in reply to 166078.14
Date: 12/14/2010 5:24:34 AM
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The phrase "At least for the US, I dont know what sports they play in bulgaria...", to me, is definitely belittling the fact that Kozzy is from Bulgaria. That's being rude in the first place. I don't blame Kozzy for firing back. And using his knowledge of his own country's sports is kind of pointless, since they're not basketball. I'm not making any comment on the points for tiebreaker thing, because I know that in all of my country's major sports, points for are actually vital - but they're not basketball, so there's no point arguing about it.


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