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Hmm... looks like I am being misunderstood.

Ok, let me rephrase it then.

I am proposing to have women players playing in separate division/leagues but can be managed by any gender.

On your point that it will be dividing the users and be a problem for 'little countries', it is a good point.

But since the women team will not have any linkages to the normal men's competition, maybe if managers can have an account each (1 on the male leagues and 1 on the female leagues). Of course it will need some minor adjustments on the rules but it should not have risk to exploitation since it is two separate competition (You cannot transfer a female player into a male team)

Decent idea but I think it would only happen if there was a much larger share of female users on BB. Basketball has been a male dominated sport and while there are womens leagues, the main popularity is with the men (not surprisingly the majority of players and users are as well).

i'd think you'd be surprized about that. i'm thinking that 20 to 30% of the BB users are female. and even if the main majority is with the men, that doesn't mean that we can ignore the women who play this game.

like i said, i like your idea KwaiWah, but i'm rather i'll give you some more problems

1) say we do your idea, and have a men and womens team. can the servers handle all the info? cause you are talking about doubling the ammount of data, doubling the ammount of games, etc...

2) how will you do economy? split economy? in that case, might as well have 2 different games. Buzzerbeater for men and buzzerbeater for women, run on different servers... Shared ecomony? then you'll see some teams using the money from the other team to boost one of the teams. and what about those who don't want to manage a second team if you'd have a shared ecomony? one team will be dragging down the economy, which isn't go great either... so you'd force those managers to take a second team.

3) the ammount of games. we currently have 3 (4 games if you are a supporter, and 5 games if you are a supporter and if you like following your NT's games) games a week. adding the womens games to it, that will mean you'll have one or more games a day on average. i like BB, but for alot of people that would be an overload (i'm not sure if i'd like more than 5 games a week)...

they way i see your last post, instead of having a youth academy, you'd like a womens league. I still like the idea of a womens league, but i wonder if it can be done in BB.

LA-Revo

I think a youth/developmental team might make more sense then a completely separate team. That way, maybe upper division teams could keep and train their draft picks and not just rebuild from the transfer list.

Steve
Bruins

either i have misunderstood this suggestion or everyone else has

the idea is to let people sign up for a womans team

that is not female human managers, but female computerised players in a womes league

if would be on a totally seperate server and in all aspects a different game

players could no more transfer between the womens league and the current mens leagues than they could between buzzerbeater and hatrick

the idea is to then allow everyone to sign up for a womens team

it would be the same game engine (less dunks!) so close to no development costs or running costs for the bbs, but more income from advertising on the womens site and those that choose to to be supporters

you dont need all the current countries, just something like the biggest current ones maybe the top 30- 50 most popular nations no 30 is romania with 503, no 50 is peru with 115, from there the nations are getting way too small, will we really miss barbados or pakistan?

it would be the same game engine (less dunks!) so close to no development costs or running costs for the bbs, but more income from advertising on the womens site and those that choose to to be supporters

That depends. A new server could be expensive. Development of player faces for females is a must and is expensive and time consuming. And since the current men's league can't even get developments done on player faces, it seems highly unlikely there would be someone doing female faces from scratch.

actually doing it from scratch for the girls ould be an advantage

the art wouldnt need to be compatable with the current are as in effect it would be a totally different game

i could imagine a much more cutesy anime style might be nice for the ladies

but whatever the new artist would have a clean slate to work with

i just hope it is better than hatrick, their horrid art puts me off the whole game

Women players...

Why Oh Why?

Let's improve this and get it generate money first.

well.
It seems once in so many time this is brought up, in all kinds of variants from female players over female staff to cheerleaders.

In part due to this I founded a federation way back when federations where implemented, and to start it wasn't realy successfull, and it died down prety quickly.

I don't think we will ever see female players. I'm not sure about female staff, but then some volunteer will have to create the graphics for the faces for BB, at no expense.

I know Mark was interested in a cheerleadersystem though, and he gave our federation the opportunity to develop a system.
No propositions where send in though. I worked on something myself, and after a while decided I was making it way to complex (it would be a game on it's own with more variation and possibilites and probably much harder to get it right then BB itself) so I stopped developping it.

I thnik Revo's extimation of 20 to 30% female users in this game is to high thuogh. If we make 10% it would amaze me. I'd gamble there will be somewhere between 2% and 5%...

1) say we do your idea, and have a men and womens team. can the servers handle all the info?

2) how will you do economy? split economy? in that case, might as well have 2 different games. Buzzerbeater for men and buzzerbeater for women, run on different servers... Shared ecomony? then you'll see some teams using the money from the other team to boost one of the teams. and what about those who don't want to manage a second team if you'd have a shared ecomony? one team will be dragging down the economy, which isn't go great either... so you'd force those managers to take a second team.

3) the ammount of games. we currently have 3 (4 games if you are a supporter, and 5 games if you are a supporter and if you like following your NT's games) games a week. adding the womens games to it, that will mean you'll have one or more games a day on average. i like BB, but for alot of people that would be an overload (i'm not sure if i'd like more than 5 games a week)...

LA-Revo

1) Well, for the server portion I don't think I have the technical expertise. But maybe the expense to get another server can be covered by offering women's BB only for supporter. At least for me, I would be interested to pay for supporter if I can actually start off on a clean slate on the same ground as other teams

2) I would prefer split economy. Else it will be prone to exploitation.

3) Well, you do point out a very good point on the amount of games to manage on one account alone. But it is not compulsary for everyone to have another team in women's BB league. If managing more than 4 games is not suitable for some people, then most probably they need to choose one. Either men's or women's BB.

I feel the idea will not only appeal to the fairer gender but also to others who got to know BB only recently but are wondering if they are able to compete with the BB veterans if starting on equal footing.