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My mistake. Thought you were someone else.

No problem ;)

Not sure I understand exactly what you're suggesting. You're saying we could have some kind of ranking that would say "Player X is the 43894th best SG in Buzzerbeater and the 3463rd best SG playing in the US", is that the idea? I guess it doesn't hurt anything, but I don't really see the point. In most cases it won't tell you much. In bbtools (the site is currently down) you can rank the best players in a given country, or look at the best under 21, but besides that there's not much use for a ranking. Having the 1000th best guy or the 1500th best really doesn't tell you much at all. To see if they're better or worse than the guys you're facing in your next league match you already have salaries, ratings, stats, etc

I don't find salary a good indicator. My 7700guard constantly outplays 15-35k guards

Are the 15-35k guards worse than respectable GS?

My 7700guard constantly outplays 15-35k guards

That's means you're getting good value for money ;) Are those other guards in bad gameshape? Sometimes players can have high salaries by being one-dimensional (e.g. having huge JS and nothing else). Maybe your guy has nice secondary skills. Can you post links to some of those games you're mentioning?

In any case, I'm sure you understand that this has to be the exception and not the rule. Imagine that you're given two "blank" players and you can choose their skills. With a salary of 35k you can, in general, build a much better player than with less than 8k in salary.

My 7700guard constantly outplays 15-35k guards

That's means you're getting good value for money ;) Are those other guards in bad gameshape? Sometimes players can have high salaries by being one-dimensional (e.g. having huge JS and nothing else). Maybe your guy has nice secondary skills. Can you post links to some of those games you're mentioning?

In any case, I'm sure you understand that this has to be the exception and not the rule. Imagine that you're given two "blank" players and you can choose their skills. With a salary of 35k you can, in general, build a much better player than with less than 8k in salary.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/52662812/boxscore.aspx
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/52662828/boxscore.aspx
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/52662860/boxscore.aspx This one while playing at PF vs a PF no less, in a 2-3 zone format.

others he comes off bench, too hard to track it all with only a 4 hour window till I wake up for my next shift.

notat the time I played them they weren't

Then they have awful secondaries or are not being utilized in the right type of offense. Again, provide a link to some example games so we can see your wunderkind.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/52662812/boxscore.aspx
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/52662828/boxscore.aspx
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/52662860/boxscore.aspx This one while playing at PF vs a PF no less, in a 2-3 zone format

The third one is under different conditions, so you can't really use it to compare guard performances. In any case, out of the 6 guards that started for your opponent in these 3 games, 5 of them have 11k or lower salaries. The sixth is a 60k guy who now has average GS and had ratings of 11 and 11.5 in this week's games. When he played against you his rating was 8.5, so I imagine his GS was even worse then. Your guy did have a nice game (16 assists) that time, but he was playing against a full court press of guys in terrible shape, which is probably the best recipe for disaster.

Like I said, and Kumiko added to it, a player may outplay a higher-salary opponent if he has better GS, secondaries, is played in a good tactic, etc. But if both players have "traditional" skills distributions, the guy with the highest salary will have the better skill-set and perform better under the same circumstances.

The third one is under different conditions, so you can't really use it to compare guard performances. In any case, out of the 6 guards that started for your opponent in these 3 games, 5 of them have 11k or lower salaries. The sixth is a 60k guy who now has average GS and had ratings of 11 and 11.5 in this week's games. When he played against you his rating was 8.5, so I imagine his GS was even worse then. Your guy did have a nice game (16 assists) that time, but he was playing against a full court press of guys in terrible shape, which is probably the best recipe for disaster.

Like I said, and Kumiko added to it, a player may outplay a higher-salary opponent if he has better GS, secondaries, is played in a good tactic, etc. But if both players have "traditional" skills distributions, the guy with the highest salary will have the better skill-set and perform better under the same circumstances.

52662812 the guy's salary is not below 11K
2804 I did not include because I suspect the guys GS was below respectable. Same with coming off bench at PG and SG in the last game, gameshape of 31K pg is medicore.

and in 2828 as I stated earlier, His gameshape at that game was fine, it was strong. But I guess, since there was no snapshot picture taken prior to the game to "prove" it, then you'll believe what you want to believe.

and so, I'll throw out there. I'd be fine adjusting his minutes to play him in a scrimmage vs a "respectable+" gameshape PG of your own choosing, to prove my point.


In regards to him playing at the PF position, which you dismissed so suddenly as not being relevant and used to compare guard performances (which I disagree with), I would actually look at that one the hardest personally, and go... "Hrmm, what kind of skill-set does this guard have where he's still classified at PG, but can play at and defend the 4 vs a natural 4 of higher salary, so well? And, is that part of the reason that he "may or may not" be outperforming these higher salaried guards he's playing against""

But again, that may just be, I am somewhat of a critical thinker about stuff like that...

Last edited by LBJisaCancer at 1/2/2013 6:35:31 AM

When I am out of the cup I will scrimmage you with any of my PGs. You can take your pick. I suggest you pick the 14k.