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Idk if stamina is the problem. The player I have that played 65 min last and stayed at average GS has the highest stmina on my team.

Maybe he has high sublevel of gameshape and it's not so bad. Look at his dmi.

Stamina is most likely the problem, but the BBs may have fiddled with GS too, as I've seen several odd updates in the last couple of week including multiple double drops or multiple double pops in the same team. If they did change something however, I'd imagine they'd announce it, especially because it makes GS training much better.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/16/2015 6:42:15 AM

yeah it was odd to see teams with nearly ALL players at 7 after the first GS update.

this team here with awful minute management had 14 players dropping from 7 to 5 in a week....(277177) then only 1 drop the following week.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/16/2015 7:21:48 AM

Right...and I suppose the 14 double GS drops in the same week on the same team are also in line with what you say. Maybe you can find another team forfeiting the first 3 games in a previous season (or playing the same 5 man lineup for 3 games) and show us that something like this is actually has always been a common occurrence or that at least there were similar episodes.

Until then and until you have evidence to back up your claims, your guess is as good as any. Especially after we know that Marin feels entitled to decide which information about changes he should share and which he should keep to himself.

Note that bot teams playing 5 man-lineups like the one I linked or forfeiting all games are the easiest to assess whether some change has been made...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/16/2015 7:51:40 AM

This is a horrible way of testing. There will always be outliers if chance is involved, but outliers are seldom identical.

You are trying to compare one outlier to an older outlier. This does not make ANY sense from a statistical point of view.

It's funny to see that apparently it is up to Marin or Perpete to prove you're wrong. So now they are guilty because you say so until they can prove otherwise? Wow, that's great.

How about you take the effort to compare a number of teams and create a statistically valid sample mean. And compare that to previous seasons. If then there is reason to believe you are right with your allegations, I bet we all would be a lot more happy to talk. Now it's just empty words.



Last edited by Bolleboosje at 5/16/2015 8:29:32 AM

joined with the above point, as you can see, i have 5 players in 9 GS and and 6 players in 8 GS that's 11 players of a 15 man roster, obviously the other 4 just play about 30 mins a week to balance the game shape...

i had about 7-8 guys or so at strong after the 1st week, I don't see the problem. I've always had good GS updates to start the season. Perhaps you should rethink your minutes strategy instead of trying to assign blame or make an excuse for how you're managing your players.

It's funny to see that apparently it is up to Marin or Perpete to prove you're wrong. So now they are guilty because you say so until they can prove otherwise? Wow, that's great.

Wow that's clever. Read again and don't build a straw man to attack. Perpete is stating things as facts. Since Marin clearly stated he doesn't disclose all the changes he makes, Perpete's statements are just his opinion, they are not facts. More precisely, they are opinions presented as facts. Do you want me to bold another of this sentences, so perhaps you will understand my point instead of misinterpreting it?

Indeed, everybody in this thread is speculating, but the only one stating his opinion as facts is Perpete. This is why I challenged him and not others...

You are trying to compare one outlier to an older outlier.

Let me explain it for you so maybe you understand :). From a statistical point of view comparing apples and apples in this kind of analysis is hard. Even you got that. Therefore I went the extra step and picked from this sample:
- Players who were guaranteed to have exactly 7 GS (because it was reset)
- Players who did not play any minute or played over 130 minutes. These players have either played the maximum or the minimum a player can play

This sample can be replicated for previous seasons. You following? If no changes have been made I would expect 0 minute and 140 minute guys GS behaving in a similar way and dropping at a similar pace.

Now, if Perpete or you, assuming you believe him, are right I'm sure it would be pretty straightforward to find similar occurrences in previous seasons under the same circumstances. This wouldn't be definitive proof, of course, but at least it would show that what Perpete is stating as fact is at least possible or likely.

Now it's just empty words.

You mean like Perpete's or your empty words on the topic? Yeah I thought so. |-O


Now would you like to try again, but sticking to what I said instead of something you'd like me to have said?

Keep in mind that there are several players that in the first week who popped in GS with low minutes (below 48), this guy double popped to proficient with 48 minutes: (34618432). This alone is not in line with what is commonly accepted about GS and I therefore think that Brutus and others are perfectly entitled to question whether or not something has been changed and I'd think they are also perfectly entitled not to get the usual dismissive answer from Perpete without proof, especially not after the farce re: "we changed 3 point shots", "oh no we didn't", "oh yeah we didn't do it this season, but we did in previous seasons, but it's a secret".

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/16/2015 1:40:20 PM

Since it says EGM-Perpete, I still assume he is aware of changes. So when he replied to your post (if the BB's fiddled the GS formula) with "Nah, each season start, we have people wondring if the GS has changed. Apart the recent changes with the stamina, it hasn't." - That is about when I believe him, because I simply do not see any reason to believe the GS formula has been changed. My team is not behaving in a different way than I am used (sometimes I'm lucky at the start of the season, sometimes not, this season I'm somewhere in between). Also in the league around me, I do not see any results that alarm me. But hey, that's just me.

Of course, you have the right to question Perpete's words. Which is fine. The thing that I dislike about your post though, is that you ask for evidence to back up his claims, but do not show any evidence yourself. You only show a current situation and say it was different last season. The behavior of players under the same circumstance last season however you don't show. For that reason it is, as I said before; empty words. You're taking on the role of a little kid who says "I can run twice as fast as I could last year. Unless you prove me otherwise". How about you show us the speed you can run with now (perhaps your personal best from a match) and show us the speed you used to run with last season (your personal best from a match in the past?).
But no, apparently when I ask for this I am building a straw-man argument.

Let me explain it for you so maybe you understand :). From a statistical point of view comparing apples and apples in this kind of analysis is hard. Even you got that. Therefore I went the extra step and picked from this sample:

Thanks for that jab^^ Now let's get back to actual content instead of throwing mud or taking/making things personal. It's too bad you removed a part of your message (to be exact this part:)

This sample can be replicated for previous seasons and since I've had players with 0 minutes in the first week in the past I can guarantee you they did not have a double drop in GS. For the team I linked every single player playing 0 minutes or 130+ had a double drop.

I was about to react to the above before you removed it. I could show you 2 of my players which were injured (or which I didn't use) and made 0 minutes which dropped 2 levels in GS and afterwards one. There is a great function in Buzzer-manager which keeps track of that.

But since you already removed that part of your post, I guess you also figured out it is not as unusual as you thought. Too bad you didn't write that but simply removed it.

Keep in mind that there are several players that in the first week who popped in GS with low minutes (below 48), this guy double popped to proficient with 48 minutes: (34618432). This alone is not in line with what is commonly accepted about GS and I therefore think that Brutus and others are perfectly entitled to question whether or not something has been changed

Players who pop in gameshape below 48 minutes is nothing new to me. So I don't see any reason to make a fuss about this.
About the double pop for the player who made 49 minutes, I honestly don't know. But it is a fact that there is randomness to the GS update (just as to a lot of other things in this game). I have had players with 48 minutes double pop in GS, but I can not recall if this was at the beginning of the season. Either way, to me, it doesn't raise a red flag until someone can show me that this is truly out of the ordinary compared to previous season (and once again, that would need a valid sample size because this can simply be an outlier).