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37437.6 in reply to 37437.5
Date: 6/29/2008 8:37:49 AM
Hapoel Naan
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I think that the TIE mechanism in general is a bad idea.

They took it from hattrick and I think it is going bad in hattrick as well.

There are few reasons for that being bad idea:

1st: as you said, it allows players to close deals before the game.

2nd: it has nothing to do with real life, I can't see any team that loosing a league game by 30 points and the enthusiasm goes up just because the manager told them to take it easy.

3rd: it makes the order of games too important, one can have three top games in a row while his opponents get to the games after playing a bot, making him underdog without any reason.

I think it have to go other way, the enthusiasm should reflect results while the TIE/CT can increase/decrease the impact. I mean if you loose a CT game you get really upset, and vise versa.


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37437.7 in reply to 37437.6
Date: 6/29/2008 8:47:46 AM
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I perfectly agree with you. Something should be done do get the game closer to real life situations.
Enthusiasm depending on a streak of positive or negative results could be an idea but in needs to be carefully dosed since it could make an unrealistic gap between teams who lost or won a couple of games.
But having TIE/CT to increase/decrease the impact of winning/losing steaks can be an idea!

I'm still waiting for a GM's say on this.

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37437.8 in reply to 37437.7
Date: 6/29/2008 8:56:42 AM
Talentinho
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Can't we just quit complaining about TIE? It is an option to do so, so just accept that as a fact. You take a risk by playing TIE and that's it. There have been so many threads about this already, you can keep on asking BB or GM's for their point-of-view but it has been said and done. If you have suggestions on how to change stuff post them in the suggestion forum. That's what it's there for.

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37437.9 in reply to 37437.7
Date: 6/29/2008 9:03:41 AM
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I went looking for the thread where all this has been discussed before, but unfortunatly didn't immediatly find it.

In that thread BB-Mark said it was not against to rules to mutualy agree to TIE. He did not promote it! On contrary, he doesn't realy like it either, but it is not forbidden, and for now will not be forbidden either.

In the end it is your own community who decides for you if they like it or not. If the teams in your league decide they do not like it, the 1 or few teams who do like it will not have much support for their system. If ion your league many teams like it, and you think you can gain advantage with it, go ahead and join in... but as said here in this thread already: don't be amazed if the snake bites you once in a while. ;)

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37437.10 in reply to 37437.9
Date: 6/29/2008 9:21:57 AM
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Perfectly clear. But I don't see really to much good behind having match approach stated in the report. I am sure that removing it would eliminate TIE vs. TIE deals and make the game more interesting, but if the "goods" that it brings are much more than it's OK to stay that way.

What are the real pro's of match approach being stated in the report?

p.s. sorry for opening the same topic in the suggestions forum, I thought other GM wanted it there.

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37437.11 in reply to 37437.9
Date: 6/29/2008 9:29:22 AM
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There is 3 possible solutions for this problem...or "problem":

1...To remove variable called enthusiasm completely or to hide information about enthusiasm from game report (later is much more, if not only possible imo)

2...Leave it as it is now

3....Redesign that variable (almost) completely (this option requires large in-depth analysis) in order to be more realistic & fair.

Imo best solution is option 3, means that enthusiasm need fine tuning and adjusting...

"Da ste vi bolji narod i ja bi` bio bolji vladar!" - Knjaz Milos
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37437.12 in reply to 37437.8
Date: 6/29/2008 9:35:46 AM
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Can't we just quit complaining about TIE? It is an option to do so, so just accept that as a fact. You take a risk by playing TIE and that's it. There have been so many threads about this already, you can keep on asking BB or GM's for their point-of-view but it has been said and done. If you have suggestions on how to change stuff post them in the suggestion forum. That's what it's there for.


if there have been so many complains about it, maybe it means there is something wrong with it?

From: dhoff

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37437.15 in reply to 37437.13
Date: 6/29/2008 10:00:36 AM
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(But I do think most of the people in favor of them think the TIE/normal/CT system is ridiculous and wish it would be abolished.)

Count me among them.

From: prosiri

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37437.16 in reply to 37437.14
Date: 6/29/2008 10:00:56 AM
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I don't want to believe that you want to punish people who don't want to participate in any kind of pregame speculation!?! I mean, in modern societies trying to organize the development of a game in an official competition is punishable by law!! And you think NOT doing it should be punished!! I'd like to hear more sensible reasons for this?

@kozlodoev

We've heard a lot about how "mutual TIEs are evil". About alternative ideas, not so much.

Removing it from the game report for example! Come and offer me a TIE then...surely, I'll be accepting it!!! ;)

Last edited by prosiri at 6/29/2008 10:02:21 AM

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