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i have a feeling it has more to do with tactics, and match ups, and league skill

This. And also I feel like a high ID rating actually makes a player less likely to block shots because less shots will be attempted on him in the first place. To use an example from another sport, the best DB's in the NFL generally don't get a lot of interceptions because teams don't challenge them on offense.

I'm not so sure about this. My Center has tremendous ID and only respectable SB, but he averages a little over 3 BPG. However, his OD is pitiful, so ultimately, where he gets his blocks is not against other Big Men, but against Guards who try to shoot over him.

Indeed, I have the feeling that high shot blocking can offset low OD for Cs and, to some extent, PFs. It is easier to train, and while it won't help to get steals, it might be good enough to decrease the FG% of opposing guards by a noticeable amount.

I agree that matchups, tactics, and the skill level of the opponents all contribute to the final stat line though.

Oh c'mon, dont you get it? Dont look at statistics how many blocks a guy with good shotblocking does. Sometimes when a player tries to block the shot, the shooter has to adjust the shot to avoid the block, but it often causes to miss that shot. And it doesnt matter that he didnt get the block, but he raised his hand and caused the missed shot. Thats what shotblocking also does IMO.

Last edited by Valdomas kompiuterio at 11/9/2010 6:25:29 AM

+1 :p

but these numbers should be correlated, so a guy who did it often with full succes should also have more trys who affect the shooter.

Hmm interesting discussion!

My U21 trainee, (12014552) has trained very balanced. All the 4 inside skills are on 13-14.
If you look at his stats, he doesn't get many more SB's than a normal C. (avg 2.3 now)
But if you look at the match stats...

In this cup match, (29011112) he played 48 minutes. My only C that game. Against 2 C's who aren't really bad.
Look at the PPG! 106 vs. 78.5! Also take a look at my inside D rating, my PF who played 46 mins, has got only 8 on ID ;)

In this PL match, (26074313) he played 46 minutes. Most of the time against a C who isn't really bad, but my opponent C scored nothing on the floor court. PPG: 121.2 vs. 83.0

And last but not least, this U21 match. (12320) he played 42 minutes with 8 SB's!!! In a U21 match, against very good opponents on the C position (100k+ salary). If the Dutch U21 haven't had that 8 SB's, we'd probably lost the game..

So, with this statistics, I'll say SB isn't useless.
For sure we don't know how the stats were if he had not an SB of 14, but I agree with BB-Charles.

Last edited by Nick at 11/9/2010 9:30:48 AM

im thinking......

shot blocking is something to help with the inside defense.

if your opposition going to make 5/10 a game with your ID
you might lower it to 3/10.


im thinking shot blocking only effect the shot that are going to make the basket despite your ID,
when ID stats determine the opposition should score the basket, that's when SB come into play.


i mean if they are going to miss everything from your inside defense stats, the shot blocking is no needed.

thus makes shot blocking only a compliment to ID



i think......
Their offense - Your Defense = Actual Shooting % without Block Shot
Actual Shooting % without getting Blocked - Shot Block = True Shooting % for the game

I'm training Shotblocking instead of IS this week as a result of this thread

I think shot blocking is useful in one way or another, we just don't see exactly what. If it was useless, it wouldn't be there in the first place. But one thing I want to note is that it's only put as secondary skills for C. If it was an important skill and a skill which forces a shooter to alter the direction of the shot etc, I think it would be listed as secondary skills in other positions too. But then again, it could be that the people who wrote the list of skills a player need didn't know that shot blocking is actually an effective skill in terms of defense...