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The other problem is getting hold of the right trainees. I've tried to convince people its in their own interests to train or sell their rookies, its still not happening. I'm not even sure posting in every league in England has made a bit of difference.

Not much more can be done there, unfortunately.

If someone has a good trainee and wants to help, but does not intend to train him properly (and this involves having to sacrifice some games), the best thing to do would be selling outside the "hot period" like 3-4 weeks into the season (hopefully the managers will give some training in those weeks). I lost the bidding on several trainees and especially a big man who would have fit perfectly with my current training regime because it went for sale in the first week and the bidding got completely out of hand.

I'd love to see this but there's a couple of problems I see with it. It requires those people to put their team's interests second to the NT. I don't think most people want to do it.

Most of the new managers can't do it. Not because they can't follow the instructions, but because they can't afford to buy players of a certain calibre. Realistically in order to train an NT hopeful you need to have the cash and you need to have the possibility to afford him down the line. So in general, "younger" managers will not be able to do it.

Their flow was higher than ours. Not quite a whole rating above. The same with their inside shooting

This is unclear to me. I do believe their inside shooting looked better because of the assists kept pouring in. Their big men were super efficient. More than a 60% of their successful shots was assisted (32/51), I wonder how many of the misses were also assisted but 32 assists on 89 FGA is a massive number. For their 9 extra baskets made they had 10 extra assists.

You mention gdp, which I'm sure everyone is looking at, and saying, well, obviously they were going to use LI. Next week's game, to them, would seem to be even more important than the one against us.

I never said it was obvious they would play LI. I did say that if there was a game where it made sense to use GDP, this was it. Granted, even guessing right might have not been enough to win the game and granted, even winning might have not been enough to reach the next stage. My point was that when you're an underdog losing by 15 or 30 makes no difference whatsoever.

We might all have to ask Morwood how you beat the #1 team in BB by injuring 2 opponent starters, clawing back 15 points in the last quarter and going level in the last few seconds in regulation on intentional fouling and 3pt shooting (taken and made by a guy who had 0 3pt attempts in 41 minutes thus far)...just in case.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/1/2014 7:26:06 PM

I am more than happy to be on this table to help train national team players and I'm more than happy that if two trainees with MVP potential or higher come up this season, I'll sell my current trainee and invest. However I have the same problem as Lemon, managers are selling draftees straight after the draft causing a lot of people to get involved in a bidding war and then the price becomes too high.

Hi All,

Bit of a ramble here but enjoy training and want the NT to do well and to produce players for it so here's my two pence;

It's tough training NT players is not very easy at all! Believe me as I'm trying to do it!

1. Had to outlay $700000 on 2 players!
2. In order to get them trained got knocked out of cup which cost me $250000-500000
3. went from second place to 2nd from bottom getting trainees minutes.
4. Even at that price I had to buy 19 year olds to get enough potential even at that price!

I'm hopefull that long term this will be worth it but I have some tough decisions to make with regards to training over next 6 weeks if I don't want to have to beat a tough team playing away in relegation series.

For me what might be needed to train players is a group of players who have a second team and commit to either using their English team as a NT player farm team while competing hard in utopia or vice versa buy English trainees for utopia and compete hard with initial side.

That way the trainers don't need to worry about wins losses etc

it would cost $10 but with no salary floor it should be possible to buy a decent trainee after year 1.

I don't think you can expect managers to take a hit on players prices when they are trying to compete, I had a u21 player I sold for $500000 but an English manager was saying he wasn't worth that price etc Unfortunately the market is changing and prices are going up. I want the maximum return on my investment so it makes sense to sell at market peak.

After that I would suggest that certain trainers like to train certain players, I like to train shooting guards/small forwards, other such as Arrows seem to like PG I'm sure another inside guys Tide of Fire produced 2 bigs so If the NT coach identifies who likes to train what and identifies talent for them to train that might be good too?

Good luck with any plan ;)

JB

1. I had to outlay $2.3 million on 2 players age 18 one of whom had poor stats.
2. I had to drop out of EBBL down to D3 to focus on getting them minutes.
3. I gave up on the cup.
4. I gave up on promotion for 8 seasons
5. I am still not finished yet and owning two high salary Bigs for the NT means making sacrifices on the rest of my team.

and finally...

6. It's the best thing, best challenge, best fun and best decision I ever made in BB - In Innes I now possess one of the best power forwards in the game... He and Mac are worth way more to me than anything I ever gave up in 1 to 5.

Nice to see some comments at least. Shame they're all from the usual suspects. Thanks.

Most of the new managers can't do it. Not because they can't follow the instructions, but because they can't afford to buy players of a certain calibre.

I was really thinking of those people who draft NT potential players, not those who buy them. Not sure why you think everyone in D3 is new. There are a number who have been around for a number of seasons.

However I have the same problem as Lemon, managers are selling draftees straight after the draft

That is one problem. The other problem is that some actually go unsold all season.

Personally, even as NT coach, I'd never ask anyone to do what Vecx did. Nor do I think its necessary. We shouldn't need people to be training multiple players. It would be enough if people would see the value of the rookies they draft and either train them or sell them. Keeping MVP+ potential players as scrubs is a complete waste. Far better to sell for 500k+ and replace him with star potential for 1k. Especially now that you can get quite decent 19yos fresh from the draft for 1k.

I can't stress enough the value of draftees. The potential gain to the club is immense. Immediately he's drafted he's already worth money to your team. If you train him your merchandising will go up as his salary goes up. If he plays for the u21s merchandising goes up a little. If he plays for the NT merchandising goes up much more.

It can be harder for new teams if you can't afford a decent level trainer but otherwise D3 is a great place to train because its easier to manage minutes, get single position training and not lose games.

Keeping English trainees in England is the tough thing, drafting a top trainee to most managers just means $$$ rather than an NT training opportunity.

It can be harder for new teams if you can't afford a decent level trainer

Again, I'm not just talking about new teams, there are older teams in D3.

otherwise D3 is a great place to train because its easier to manage minutes, get single position training and not lose games.

I wasn't in D3 that long but I completely agree. However, I'd like to point out you can train fairly easily in D2. I've been in II.2 for numerous seasons now (9 or 10 without looking) and I've been training (not altogether successfully for the whole time) and I was able to avoid relegation, and occassionally get into the playoffs. All in for what was, most of that time, the toughest D2 in England.

Keeping English trainees in England is the tough thing

Its better if they stay in England. Its not a complete loss for the NT if they go abroad, but its certainly a loss for the teams.

drafting a top trainee to most managers just means $$$ rather than an NT training opportunity.

I don't disapprove of selling trainees. For a lot of people its the best idea. I've drafted an MVP and a HOF, and perhaps I'd have been better off selling them, though in the case of the HOF, his skills were such that he wasn't worth the usual amount.

I actually seem to have pulled apart everything you've said but honestly that's not the case. You've simply given me the chance to expand on some points, I actually do agree with the gist of what you're saying. And certainly I value your input. I'd love the chance to respond to everyone's thoughts. Especially those in D3, including those who think they're too inexperienced to have any input. Believe me, you're never that. We want to know what people think.

Not sure why you think everyone in D3 is new.

This is also something I never said nor think. Should I clarify that I mean "lower division managers without a large enough arena/bank account and who haven't drafted a high potential player"? Yes there are managers with a large bank account, large arena and making good money per week who do not fit this description. I did kind of ignore them since they haven't shown interest so far and I doubt they will show interest in helping out in the future.

Again, I'm not just talking about new teams, there are older teams in D3.

Yes but you insist in assuming that it is possible that these teams will somehow modify their behaviour going forward, which, in my opinion, is just wishful thinking and not worth considering as a realistic option.

I'd love the chance to respond to everyone's thoughts. Especially those in D3, including those who think they're too inexperienced to have any input. Believe me, you're never that. We want to know what people think.

This is the people who we should go after. I believe many people in D3 don't even notice the forum posts in their league threads. Until more people show interest this is the situation we're in. Utopia teams might help (I'm trying to do that myself) however that will take some time too and I'm not thrilled at buying top prospects with my second team preventing me from buying them with my main team (MacPorridge would be a top prospect if he had MVP+ potential)


Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/2/2014 10:36:37 AM

This is also something I never said nor think.

I believe I either misread that or made an assumption that didn't fit. Sorry.

I did kind of ignore them since they haven't shown interest so far and I doubt they will show interest in helping out in the future.

Fair comment. Though there are exceptions.

Yes but you insist in assuming that it is possible that these teams will somehow modify their behaviour going forward, which, in my opinion, is just wishful thinking and not worth considering as a realistic option.

I'm fairly certain that my general tone in the last 24 hours has not been that of someone with unrealistic hopes. Nor of someone guilty of wishful thinking. Giving up and doing nothing doesn't seem like a very useful thing for an NT manager to do though.

Utopia teams might help

This isn't aimed at you, but I have absolutely no interest in Utopia. I wish it didn't exist (there's something I never thought I'd say), and I'd never encourage anyone to spend real money so they can train players for the NT. What a waste that would be.

I know that training players in div. II is possible. Look at Osman. He is moving along nicely. Also my ex colleague, the Gibraltar monkeys is training 2 guards. Not sure how well that is going, but he is doing OK in his div. II and as far as I know he is saving a lot off money along the way.

I know I am never going to win the ebbl, because I do not understand the game engine well enough, but seeing Osman get selected for the NT at such a young age was a real thrill. Only problem I have is training him and keep his minutes on track and stay competitive as well. Sorry for that...