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3 games / week, 48 minutes training and shape gestion= bb cool but bad games too

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113802.61 in reply to 113802.59
Date: 10/1/2009 1:23:54 PM
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It only raises the value of stamina. That is not good. What will happen to those players with inept stamina? Train stamina 1 season then start training something else? It's ment to be hard to do well both in league and in cup. If you have a strong team coming up in cup then you have to manage minutes by "throwing" a league game.

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Date: 10/1/2009 1:59:24 PM
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Just for the record, stamina should go from inept to strong in 4-5 weeks, not a full season.

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Date: 10/1/2009 2:19:10 PM
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Depending on if you want to play 3 games a week with starters or not.
It would create a lot of hassle anyway. With training stamina for your team. Selling backups and buying low stamina backups for game shape management. What if you decide to train youngsters after cup. Game shape dropping for the whole team. Starters that need 3 games for GS now can play 2 etc.

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Date: 10/1/2009 2:29:18 PM
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It would create a lot of hassle anyway.


Most people seem to think stamina is currently a useless skil, anyways. In fact, I would go further and say that anything over inept in stamina has questionable benefits.

Also, I rarely see a difference in price on the transfer list for players between awful-prominent stamina.

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Date: 10/1/2009 2:57:24 PM
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The two-time defending MVP of the NBBA and the perennial rating leader in the NBBA both have proficient stamina, and it definitely helps their performance.

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Date: 10/1/2009 3:43:45 PM
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The two-time defending MVP of the NBBA and the perennial rating leader in the NBBA both have proficient stamina, and it definitely helps their performance.


I think stamina helps performance.

But I believe the point newchuck was trying to make is that if there is such a big adventage in performance when moving from 4 to 8, because, when you consider the cost of 3/4 weeks of training to improve stamina compared with the benefits of improving other skills when you already have stamina 4; asking if those next 4 levels would really improve(I mean some important increment) your overall performance when compared with 2 key skills in 2/3 players in performance AND market valuation.

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Date: 10/1/2009 3:58:57 PM
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I wouldn't train stamina solely for one player's benefit.

Since everyone loses some stamina every week, when you do train it (usually those rare 2 game weeks), it's always helpful.

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Date: 10/1/2009 4:15:49 PM
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I wouldn't train stamina solely for one player's benefit.


Sure. That is why I talked about "overall performance" compared to "2 key skills in 2/3 players".


Since everyone loses some stamina every week, when you do train it (usually those rare 2 game weeks), it's always helpful.


The thing discussed is not if "sometimes" is helpful to train stamina, but the effect of training stamina when you already have a stamina of , say, 4 and want to improve to 7/8; the cost of doing it and what would be better in terms of performance (for both player and team point of view).

We all know stamina will help. But there are two things we are talking now: 1) How much will help? 2) Does stamina have a decreasing impact along their levels?

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Date: 10/1/2009 4:27:20 PM
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Though average NBA teams play their starters much more per week then we can in BB. Here's the top 5 in total minutes for the Lakers during 08-09 last year:

NAME..........gm/wk.. mn/wk..mn/gm
Kobe Bryant....3.4.....123.3....36.1
Pau Gasol .......3.4......125.0....37.0
Lamar Odom....3.3......96.5......29.7
Derek Fisher....3.4.....101.7....29.8
Trevor Ariza....3.4......83.3.....24.4

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I'm not saying this is poor game design, but it is different from the reality of most professional team.


And like the Lakers, if you play your key players between 29.8 and 36.1 minutes in every league game and in no other competitive games, it'll come out just about perfectly. :)

Are you saying between 59.6 and 72.2 minutes are best for game shape or you just didn't do your homework?

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113802.70 in reply to 113802.57
Date: 10/1/2009 4:40:52 PM
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I have a question referring to that: If player's stamina is high, can you play more minutes per/week? I think that with a guy who has prominent stamina, You can play 80 min week. Am I right?

This was actually exactly my suggestion, which you can find in other recent threads in this forum.

That would just unbalance things. Those who aimed for high stamina players chosed their path and their poison. Cahnge impact of stamina and it would be like players with atrocious free throws suddenly making more than 60% from charity stripe. You can't just convert training of some skill into useles or a must have thing (by a sudden change).

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Date: 10/1/2009 4:44:51 PM
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The two-time defending MVP of the NBBA and the perennial rating leader in the NBBA both have proficient stamina, and it definitely helps their performance.

Performance of those players, Not necessarily performance ot the team - i.e. there are other ways how to get the same quality of team performance (although not so beneficial for league ledears stats board short term)

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