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158094.61 in reply to 158094.60
Date: 9/30/2010 5:13:24 AM
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Karren, i know percentage math ;) And i know that i am right, and i know you can not create an example, where i am not right. Count in training weeks, you don't get any extra ;)

maybe you should read and understand it.

But for reddaddy, who at least understand the first step.

a= normal Skill training 18y k= konstant handicap for size

a * k = b

now factor y represents the age factor
a*k*y = b *y

Now imagine a skill who takes without age factor the same time then b, so if have no effect. like you find out before.

it is equal what you train first, it is the same like with longer training periods, as long as the player don't grow or shrink and making k not constant in age.

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158094.63 in reply to 158094.61
Date: 9/30/2010 6:13:15 AM
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Count in training weeks, you don't get any extra ;)

yeah
10% of 3 (weeks) is much different from 10% of 5 (weeks) and from 10% of 2 (weeks)

If 1 vs1 pass from 2 to 3 weeks,and Od pass from 2 to 4 weeks,the 10% of 3 is less than 10% of 4

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158094.64 in reply to 158094.63
Date: 9/30/2010 6:22:45 AM
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Count in training weeks, you don't get any extra ;)

yeah
10% of 3 (weeks) is much different from 10% of 5 (weeks) and from 10% of 2 (weeks)

If 1 vs1 pass from 2 to 3 weeks,and Od pass from 2 to 4 weeks,the 10% of 3 is less than 10% of 4


i train 14 weeks a season ;) So if you finish training 1 to 1 i will, use the other weeks the Season also :) Great tactic, isn't it.

Is your target only to make 5 skill up each season(and then putting in gs train), you maybe right because you could get trouble to achieve it when the player is 35, so you should train them the fast skills and not the slow one ;) So you still get 14 weeks, without a handicap and 100% training that are the values you should looking for.

Why is it equal that a pop will longer plenty of examples in this thread shopuld show it to you idiot proof, even with lot more drastic differences then the real BB world which should make it lot worse after your theory.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 9/30/2010 6:35:21 AM

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158094.65 in reply to 158094.64
Date: 9/30/2010 6:38:01 AM
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Count in training weeks, you don't get any extra ;)

yeah
10% of 3 (weeks) is much different from 10% of 5 (weeks) and from 10% of 2 (weeks)

If 1 vs1 pass from 2 to 3 weeks,and Od pass from 2 to 4 weeks,the 10% of 3 is less than 10% of 4


i train 14 weeks a season ;) So if you finish training 1 to 1 i will, use the other weeks the Season also :) Great tactic, isn't it.

FT?Stamina?Doesn't count nothing?
Use 1 weeks for stamina and 1 weeks for FT in a season and make again the counts ;D


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 9/30/2010 6:38:45 AM

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158094.66 in reply to 158094.65
Date: 9/30/2010 6:41:30 AM
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i excluded, age independent training everytime ;) if you have a aining plan over several season, it could be advantages to train with four spot instead of 6(or 2 instead of 3), and making the age independent stuff when the players are older in terms of speed.

But when you train "slower" training first, instead of faster one you will reach the target at the exact same time like the guy who did the faster training first the only difference is that you have a more constant rate of skillups which is maybe psychogically more motivating.

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158094.67 in reply to 158094.65
Date: 9/30/2010 6:41:46 AM
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What is this debate about again?
Not everyone trains team training.

Can you smell what the Hobos are cooking... oh wait its just Roger. (18085274)
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158094.68 in reply to 158094.1
Date: 9/30/2010 7:32:34 AM
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to get ack to the real topic, tobias kienbink startet with a lot of 1 on 1 training and when he got sold(or FA) and startet to train OD it was going pretty fast especially for his age at this time(20 or 21) and i believe he is one of the top three SF in the world so it worked out for him.

From: Rycka

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158094.69 in reply to 158094.68
Date: 9/30/2010 7:40:12 AM
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i saw way earlier a post from you about this hypothesis, that a set of skills that are trained comes into play with this ellastic effect. you had this though a bit longer than this thread was created, didn't you? :)

so my story is... i had a trainee with very low driving, and his first year he popped in jr od and other more important skills very slow. he had only 7 pops if i remembet it correctly. i was very dissapointed. so this season i decided to try and get his driving higher. he had 3 weeks of one on one training. surprise surprise - this season 14 pops, and still a week of training left. of course one on one gives more pops than training od, but not 2x. he had pops in od, jr and passing. this season. btw jr poped once, then a week of passing training, next week a pop in jr again.

Last edited by Rycka at 9/30/2010 7:42:25 AM

From: CrazyEye

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158094.70 in reply to 158094.69
Date: 9/30/2010 7:48:13 AM
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i saw way earlier a post from you about this hypothesis, that a set of skills that are trained comes into play with this ellastic effect. you had this though a bit longer than this thread was created, didn't you? :)


yeah is it a while ago, i first noticed it at a center who get trained in blocking(in late late days the german nt including me was fan of this skill). I believed Kienbink convinced me totally^^ but i don't have hard data, or list which skills are connected(but the same assumption then Josef^^), so it is fine when Josef take a look into it, because as we all know he makes good analysis.

Edit: But i have a sidenote on the topic, what count the total difference or the relativ. I am pretty sure it is the total difference, becuase i trained plenty of "1" which sometimes take a while(passing for bigs) and sometimes don't affect the other big men training(Blocking for my SF). And in this area you make big differences in the relativ distance.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 9/30/2010 7:55:01 AM

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