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Date: 9/3/2020 6:52:29 PM
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Not sure what you are ranting about: Darkonako's explanation was kind of obvious. In order to win (I mean EASILY win) in this game you need to have a better team. To have a better team you need assets: cash, players, staff and anything that costs money. The guys in this final are emblematic of how you can easily do that.

Option 1: tank and accumulate cash before buying and running a higher payroll than other people. Misagh has done that twice in the past at the B3 level, so he's not new to this. In fact, they changed the rules to make it harder after his second run. This option is just very boring, it seems like he mixed it up with some training this time, but training actually harms this strategy, because it costs money, it doesn't make you money. Needless to say this strategy is harder in nations with more levels of competition because tanking with no consequences is not possible there.

Option 2: instead of buying a high payroll, buy an average payroll that costs you twice as much to acquire. Now, because of the cash restrictions a new team will not be able to match an established one at this strategy, as you cannot spend 35 million on 7 players in 1 season...because you can't have 35 millions in the bank. The key there is to keep making money in every way you can and update the roster before your players lose too much value. This strategy is even worse than the first: it requires to diligently scout the transfer list and spend a lot of time on the game, whereas the first only requires you to log in sporadically for many seasons. Unlike option 1, where the losses due to the high salary will catch up to you, this strategy can be sustained if you can dedicate enough time.

These 2 managers have been better than others at these strategies, especially Darkonza, but the fact of the matter is very few people play the game this way and only this way. And you can see Darkonza plainly admitting that training while competing is too difficult for him. As if many more managers, even in Poland, didn't do precisely that. The majority of people just don't play the game that way and thank god for that, otherwise we wouldn't have trained players.

If you want to talk about overconfidence and arrogance, let's talk about Darkonza non using GDP in the final, as he probably thought he had a good chance without it. If he was banking on Misagh going for a GDP guess despite him having the stronger team, the conclusion on overconfidence and arrogance is pretty much the same. Frankly, if the spanish guard, who had 20 JS and 15 JR and 20 IS at the beginning of the season (he's 34yo), doesn't hit 5 3 pointers and scores 39 on 21 shots, the game is a blowout; and if Misagh goes with LI instead of LP, it is lso a blowout (more FTs and even more rebound opportunities), but at least him going LP to avoid a double GDP guess made sense.

Finally, training. Without training there would be no players. Would you say that someone who gets 85 pops and good sublevels, training mostly out of position, is the same as a guy who trains Stamina, GS and FT half the season and does some primary training with a subpar Trainer in the other half getting a few pops on account of high sublevels? If so, you'd probably also admit that writing a tweet and writing a 600 page novel are basically the same thing: they are both writing. Or that Boeing and a skateboard maker are compsrable competitors as they both produce transportation vehicles.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/3/2020 7:01:24 PM

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Date: 9/4/2020 6:11:33 AM
Młoty Stargard
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The majority of people just don't play the game that way and thank god for that, otherwise we wouldn't have trained players.

If everyone stopped training, the one who started training would win
it is about looking for the best path in a given situation, the situation is changing, the strategy is changing

If you want to talk about overconfidence and arrogance, let's talk about Darkonza non using GDP in the final, as he probably thought he had a good chance without it. If he was banking on Misagh going for a GDP guess despite him having the stronger team, the conclusion on overconfidence and arrogance is pretty much the same.

Misagh could play any tactic, thought - I had little chance of hitting GDP, was counting on him to make a mistake
my team is seen as "only LI" and I was hoping it would influence on Misagh's decision
especially since he used GDP in the semi-finals
especially since he only has two strong big men and the injury of one or six fouls could kill him
were You arrogant in this game? (110940414) or this(110940406)
looking for arrogance in the game strategy is madness!



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Date: 9/4/2020 6:27:14 AM
Młoty Stargard
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The key there is to keep making money in every way you can and update the roster before your players lose too much value.

I accept huge loss of value
and I sell it when this value starts to go down more slowly
the problem is skill drop
at the highest level in B3, a 2-point drop in defense can change everything
if I didn't play B3 would keep players longer because at the age of 35-36 it loses less value than before, and the skills drop wouldn't hurt so much

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Date: 9/4/2020 6:35:04 AM
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my team is seen as "only LI" and I was hoping it would influence on Misagh's decision
And therefore I said this:
If he was banking on Misagh going for a GDP guess despite him having the stronger team, the conclusion on overconfidence and arrogance is pretty much the same.


You arrogant in this game? (110940414) or this(110940406)
looking for arrogance in the game strategy is madness!
First game I was the superior team (like Misagh) had no need to gamble, especially since my opponent does not use GDP much. The second game I had no chance irrespective of whether my opponent played Inside Iso o inside: less Enth, no HCA and giving up 150k salary and 3 million DMI. When it mattered I GDP'd (111927969), but unfortunately his 180k Polish PF played half the game with 5 fouls and despite the game being fairly close in the 4th, I still lost.

Surely you can do better than this, if you are such a tactical and scouting wizard as people claim.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 6:37:50 AM

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Date: 9/4/2020 6:46:23 AM
Młoty Stargard
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The second game I had no chance

if you play with the stronger team, you don't give GDP because you don't have a chance
how do I play with the stronger team and I don't give GDP, is it arrogant?

Surely you can do better than this, if you are such a tactical and scouting wizard as people claim.

in choosing GDP I am an average player in this game



Last edited by darkonza at 9/4/2020 6:49:31 AM

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Daytraders would have crushed anyone else, including people trying to follow this strategy, back in the day. Alas, daytrading was always a matter of who has more time to spend on the game after all: it's the same as Strategy 2 on steroids and without having to limit yourself in terms of payroll.

Darkonza also benefited from the fact that past B3 champions were invited to the B3 automatically without restrictions, so he was getting money from that even when he was not winning in his own country. Note that if they removed this rule altogether he would be exposed, because someone doing the same thing as Misagh could come along and knock him out in Poland, which would suddenly dry up the part of his income coming from the B3.

You have tried the same strategy as him: high TSP, low salary guys, but you came up short, because you didn't have enough assets. Now imagine if you had an extra 10 million compared to the best team you've ever had. Do you think you'd have come up short in Spain? I'm doubtful.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 6:51:41 AM

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278646.626 in reply to 278646.625
Date: 9/4/2020 7:03:13 AM
Młoty Stargard
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Darkonza also benefited from the fact that past B3 champions were invited to the B3 automatically without restrictions, so he was getting money from that even when he was not winning in his own country.

but I was winning, so it didn't matter

Note that if they removed this rule altogether he would be exposed, because someone doing the same thing as Misagh could come along and knock him out in Poland, which would suddenly dry up the part of his income coming from the B3.

where are the champions who have won B3 several times in a row?
according to you, they made a lot of money
This is so:
you can earn 160k in the RS if you win 8 matches
in PO if you win
70k
85k
100k
150k
and 1kk in final
all together is just a little more than Misagh pays the players for the week
in my case it usually ended in the 3rd round, so I usually earned around 300k per season on B3
and this is the most often earning from teams that incur huge salary costs
B3 is a cost not profit
sorry but you are writing something you don't understand
greetings and good luck







Last edited by darkonza at 9/4/2020 7:04:38 AM

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Date: 9/4/2020 7:10:58 AM
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Not sure what you are ranting about: Darkonako's explanation was kind of obvious. In order to win (I mean EASILY win) in this game you need to have a better team. To have a better team you need assets: cash, players, staff and anything that costs money. The guys in this final are emblematic of how you can easily do that.

Option 1: tank and accumulate cash before buying and running a higher payroll than other people. Misagh has done that twice in the past at the B3 level, so he's not new to this. In fact, they changed the rules to make it harder after his second run. This option is just very boring, it seems like he mixed it up with some training this time, but training actually harms this strategy, because it costs money, it doesn't make you money. Needless to say this strategy is harder in nations with more levels of competition because tanking with no consequences is not possible there.

Option 2: instead of buying a high payroll, buy an average payroll that costs you twice as much to acquire. Now, because of the cash restrictions a new team will not be able to match an established one at this strategy, as you cannot spend 35 million on 7 players in 1 season...because you can't have 35 millions in the bank. The key there is to keep making money in every way you can and update the roster before your players lose too much value. This strategy is even worse than the first: it requires to diligently scout the transfer list and spend a lot of time on the game, whereas the first only requires you to log in sporadically for many seasons. Unlike option 1, where the losses due to the high salary will catch up to you, this strategy can be sustained if you can dedicate enough time.

These 2 managers have been better than others at these strategies, especially Darkonza, but the fact of the matter is very few people play the game this way and only this way. And you can see Darkonza plainly admitting that training while competing is too difficult for him. As if many more managers, even in Poland, didn't do precisely that. The majority of people just don't play the game that way and thank god for that, otherwise we wouldn't have trained players.


Option 3: Give lessons of how incredibly shitty options 1 and 2 are if you want to win in BB while you have not won a title in your country (and lost 5 finals, if possible) in 28 seasons playing BB.

I'll definitely take Option 3.

Last edited by Darkonako at 9/4/2020 7:19:54 AM

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Date: 9/4/2020 9:29:56 AM
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I was winning, so it didn't matter
it mattered after your first B3 win when you wouldn't have access to the B3 otherwise.

B3 is a cost not profit
you just explained you made money even though you shouldn't have if you didn't have free access to B3 in the past...but yeah getting free access to money that others don't is a cost, not a revenue! You can say it's not a massive amount and therefore not a massive advtantage, but it's still 300k cash that none of your league competitors had access to unless they won something.

If 300k was not a large sum, you wouldn't be dealing 18yo and 19yo every season for similar profit

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 9:59:02 AM

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