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154923.62 in reply to 154923.61
Date: 8/27/2010 5:01:20 AM
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Okay so show me a 19 year old with higher primaries and no secondaries that sells for over 2 million.
You showed a 20 year old with far higher primaries. And he only sold for a little bit more than my player even though the had 5 pops extra on all primaries.

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154923.63 in reply to 154923.61
Date: 8/27/2010 5:37:41 AM
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There are so many people that train Big men and just do IS/ID/Rebounding and then repeat. Consequently there are hundreds of Big men on the market at all times that have high salary, and that all look the same.
However, when a manager, such as myself, decides to train secondary skills on a big man, the player sticks out on the market, and is unique and has lower salary and more skills, and consequently sells for more.

A 50k center with good secondary skills is going to sell for a lot more than a 75k center with bad secondary skills.
Hence, secondary skills will sell for more, even if it means less primary skills.

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154923.64 in reply to 154923.63
Date: 8/27/2010 6:52:37 AM
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You are repeating yourself again (and now adding the opinions of direwolf, which is true, however in the context of this dicussion is completely irrelivant to the subject once again) and I have had enough of repeating myself trying to explain. You don't even know what you are trying to prove to me anymore, even though I have reminded you over and over...

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154923.65 in reply to 154923.64
Date: 8/27/2010 7:00:14 AM
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The point to prove was that training secondaries is more valuable than training just primaries.
If you do not understand that then feel free to never train secondaries if you wish, but you will lose out on value.

Then the other argument you had was saying that the TPE could not be wrong. And many people in this thread have said that you are wrong about that and the TPE is very flawed.

You just continue to ignore solid evidence.

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154923.66 in reply to 154923.65
Date: 8/27/2010 8:06:47 AM
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Shld i train driving or passing or handling first? which order.

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154923.67 in reply to 154923.66
Date: 8/27/2010 8:20:19 AM
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Joe Keenan (14818902) Power Forward
Owner: clevland craigs

Weekly salary: $ 3 071

DMI: 23700
Age: 18
Height: 6'5" / 196 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: awful Handling: inept
Driving: awful Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: pitiful
Rebounding: strong Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: strong

Experience: atrocious

this is my pf i've been working on inside shot but it never got better. I have an advanced trainer so how did dat happen?

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154923.68 in reply to 154923.65
Date: 8/27/2010 8:35:48 AM
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The point to prove was that training secondaries is more valuable than training just primaries.

And in the context of the discussion you did not even come close to achieving that. And somewhere along the way you started pulling out comparisons that were irrelivant...

If you do not understand that then feel free to never train secondaries if you wish, but you will lose out on value.

I have said a couple of times in this thread that I not only have, but I will continue a small amount of guard training to my talls due to my belief that a player is better with decent secondaries. But 10 weeks in a players first season and a half is an absurd amount of time, especially when the player has terrible guard skills already. The majority of people said his skills were good based solely on his U/21 coach who said to train inside. My SG that you commented on in another thread did not recieve a single week of secondary training. He was considered by our U/21s coach as a good allround guard and was also the first pick of our SGs last year...

Then the other argument you had was saying that the TPE could not be wrong. And many people in this thread have said that you are wrong about that and the TPE is very flawed.

I didn't say it was not wrong. I said it is is a good guide to market trends. If my tall with guard skills trains inside skills and his estimate rapidly decreases, it is because the majority of the players with his similar skills are improving their primaries due to them being made guards specifically. When my guy is has slightly better inside skills than the others he is still less attractive to the majority of buyers because he is an average allround player with no standout weapon. However when my player is 21-22 and his inside skills catch up, he will be slightly more valuable, but to train 1 player for 3-4 seasons, maket value should be meaningless as this player is specifically made for your team and more valuable to your roster.

You just continue to ignore solid evidence.

I haven't ignored any evidence. I have pointed out that the majority of your evidence has no relivance because you are trying to explain something completely different than what is actually being discussed. I said a young player who spends more time on primaries as opposed to the same player spending it on secondaries if intended on a short term sale. You never tried to prove that... You said the TPE is wrong in the majority of cases. That is definately not true and the evidence you provided showed only small margins outside the TPE. There has to be sales that calculate both the high and low.

Now... Please tell me we are done!

Last edited by Pablo Ignatio Montoya at 8/27/2010 8:37:42 AM

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154923.69 in reply to 154923.67
Date: 8/27/2010 9:41:07 AM
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I would give up training that guy his skills are just too low to make it worthwhile especially his ID. He is also short for big man training which will make it harder to train him even if he had better skills.

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154923.70 in reply to 154923.66
Date: 8/27/2010 9:49:15 AM
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Train One on One, then passing, then One on One then Passing. i.e. Alternate each week.

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154923.71 in reply to 154923.68
Date: 8/27/2010 9:51:42 AM
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Okay then, my 19 year old powerforward with only 4 or 5 weeks of big man training and 10+ weeks of guard training sold for 1.75 million. Show me a 19 year old with all primary training and no secondary training that has sold for over 2 million.
If you can't find one, it is because secondaries are worth more.

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154923.72 in reply to 154923.71
Date: 8/27/2010 10:22:06 AM
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I am going to side with Naker here. Secondaries are really important, the fact that many people do not train them is really interesting. My team is proof that balanced players at every position can dominate mono skilled monsters. I have a 'SF' that I play as a C or PF and he can dominate, he could also play as a SG or obviously as a SF. Yes they are tough to train, and take alot of patience but it is worth it in the end.

Here is a C of mine that is still lacking a few secondaries. What do you all suggest I do with him?

FTW I did not train SB, it was a pop from ID training :) Also he is 7'1" with good potential.

Jump Shot: awful Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: mediocre
Driving: mediocre Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: prolific
Rebounding: wondrous Shot Blocking: respectable ↑
Stamina: inept Free Throw: mediocre

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