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Please, I'm not trying to massively diss the game. As I have said, and will say again, the game has some great aspects and credit definitely needs to go to the developers. Sure, there are bugs. I've never complained about them, as I understand how (and sometimes why) they happen. I'm simply pointing something out.

That you trained a player for 2/3s of a season and sold him for over a thousand percent profit doesn't really do your argument that much justice. If you disagree with my view on the TL, that's fine. You are likely to move very slowly up the ladder and reach and point where you will flat line, or even go backwards, because other managers are effectively trading. But I don't think this will happen because, despite the debate, I believe you understand the importance of the TL.

My only point was that there are in fact lots of strategic aspects to this game, so don't let yourself focus too much on the TL, especially if you don't enjoy that aspect of the game.

I completely agree with you. It's just that success in the TL overpowers success elsewhere, including basketball analysis. This is irrefutable.

What you said was that the front page misleads people. I don't think it does, and pointed out the other facets of the game that the front page highlights. Points that you choose not to acknowledge.

Certain aspects of the front page mislead people, yes. There are certain aspects that do not. This doesn't mean that it is a wholly bad or wholly good thing. I'm pointing out a few things that are misleading, taken both in context and out of context.

I have not, ever, stated that the GE is bad or misleading or is not advanced. That you imply that I have is closer to selective editing than anything I have written to date.

As an aside, I also highly disagree with your point that none of the tactics are run for a full game in real basketball. I have coached and played and refereed many games where the teams involved ran the same thing for the entire game. One example of the full court press tactic being used for an entire game is the UNLV Runnin' Rebels under Tarkanian. They played full court man-to-man press for 40 minutes every game. They also played run and gun for entire games as did Loyola Marymount. (Anybody else remember that team with Gathers and Kimble?) And, in lower leagues like high school and grade school teams run motion offenses like flex for whole seasons. Princeton famously destroyed UCLA in the NCAA tournament playing 40 minutes of Princeton offense.And many teams play man to man only. In fact, until just a few seasons ago, man to man was the only defense you could play in the NBA.

I definitely see your point here and rescind my position against this.

Now, while I don't deny that it is a great game engine, it truly is, that still does not mean it is "advanced basketball simulation".

I never implied anything. I pointed out what you said in the above quote.

I completely agree with you. It's just that success in the TL overpowers success elsewhere, including basketball analysis. This is irrefutable.

I think one look at my team will refute this. Especially from about season 3-9. And last season I would have won the title again against a team with $100k+ salary and a manager who is infinitely better on the TL than I am if I had set my lineup properly.

Now, while I don't deny that it is a great game engine, it truly is, that still does not mean it is "advanced basketball simulation".


I never implied anything. I pointed out what you said in the above quote.

For someone who pointed out, perhaps wrongly worded, selective editing, you're doing really well.

"it" in that sentence refers to the entire game of BB not the GE. Nice try.

So, let's be clear, let's put you (the real you or you1) up against an almost identical you (you2). The only difference is that you1 does what you say you do and you2 trades, as an addition to doing everything you1 does. Do you honestly think both yous would be in the same league if they were in one of the top countries, rather than in your own? Do you honestly believe that both you1 and you2 would be able to compete on similar grounds?

I really, really don't want to seem condescending, and please forgive me if I do, but it simply does not take much intelligence to realise that if someone makes good money on the TL (which requires a lot of time), their roster will be better, their trainers will be better, their doctors will be better, their pr managers will be better, their arena will be bigger.. Have I missed something?

I am not saying it's a bad thing. What I am saying is that it is not a simulation of a basketball club.

Last edited by Axis123 at 1/24/2011 8:58:01 PM

Read axis more closely you'll see that he doesn't mean to say this is ONLY a stock market game, just that the TL situation has played too big a role. Most of us agree, becuase THERE ARE other aspects of the game which are way cooler and way funner than the whole stockmarket part. And I really think if you stick around and give the game a shot you'll find that your generation (and the ones to follow) will see this game as much more balanced than previous generation.

Hallelujah, yes, this is like music to my ears, especially the bits about the fun parts of the game.

I was daydreaming this morning about ways to have an awesome simulation game.

These are some of the things I came up with:

* Players ratings are based on statistics from earlier games and perhaps there would be some random factor. For the game engine, there would need to be some set statistic for that game, but the random factor could be included into deciding that number (out of whatever). Lebron doesn't always have an amazing game. Sometimes bench players come on and go crazy. Sometimes these things happen for a few weeks, or even months and then they fizzle.

* Sometimes average players shine in their later careers.

* Sometimes some players are just regular no names, then have a great season or a great few seasons or maybe it continues until the close of their career.

* Sometimes some players, mixing with other players work amazingly well and, with others, do not.

* Trades would be between managers, not from a TL.

* The only real trading would occur from players who are released as free agents. So it would be bidding, rather than trading.

* There would be leagues and arena sizes and, in order to develop, you would have to make good decisions and communicate well with others. Negotiation would be a powerful tool.

Now that I go to write, I've forgotten most of what I was thinking but there is a start. If the makers of BB were to create something like this, I would join immediately.

I feel like giving up and I will soon, don't worry.

The logic is simple. Trading well doesn't mean trading a lot. If one trades well, they make more money. More money means more potential. Add this with ability and you get higher success.

This is not how any real basketball competition works. Players are traded between teams or, after a contract runs out, put on the free agent list.

The logic is simple.

Maybe you should have read the earlier posts so you can see the other points (not meaning to be rude, just mentioning it).

sorry, LA since you all lost me with all these essays...