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Agreed and a fair understanding. Please don't get me wrong, I like the game. Get pissed off when I lose and am happy when I win. I talked to about 15 people who are all playing the game one way or another - so as a supporter, you have my money already and I am getting my money's worth. Whatever your doing, it's working. I am just worried about retention.

Thanks for your time and back side (cuz you guys sure did take a licking)

Edited by Digging for Change (11/28/2007 2:00:43 AM CET)

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cuz you guys sure did take a licking

I've seen worse .. and worse will come ... :-)

Thx for your comments which are always welcome. It's nice to see mood swings depending on your results - as you said, we must be doing something right to make it important to you .. :-)

..My issue, Ill try and keep it short and sweet this time, is that top teams are getting a huge infusion of potential off reintroducing these players at a bargain compared to what they would have cost in the past. Where before they had to draft well, save and scour for good players, its happening in bunches now. Several NBBA teams have picked up top flight 18 year olds that would have never been available because the teams probably wouldnt have sold them.

It seems like after growing very quickly in a short span of time, an artificial maturity is being put into place. I don't like that people are going to get much better over this season based on where they are rather than how well they run their team. I didn't have a problem with the few really good players out there on the market going for high prices. Now theres a ton and they aren't costing what they would have in the past. Im not advocating making the financial structure flat, but time and effort should be involved in growing your team. Top teams are getting a fat reward with little effort, there is compared to the past, low competition for these guys because there are so many. This is three large posts by me in one day on one topic, Ive said my peace. I'd rather see this be a slower more gradual process in terms of player and team development. Thats all.

English is not my first (or even 2nd) language so sparing us all from mistakes and/or embarresment this qoute sums it up almost right for me..

..and further..

..I just found this game after umpteenth seasons in HT. Steadily going from Div VII to third place in Div III as top mark. I just couldnt find the time/energy/interrest or incentives to micromanage myself any further in that game. There are so many things wrong with the economy/player values/onetrickponygameengine that I just lost interrest. Climbing another division without seriously risking your whole economy for a push just isnt.. bla bla bla nuf HT.

Luckily for me Im much more of a bball-nut anyHOWway so BB looked like the perfect game where everyone actually had a chance to participate and climb with good managing skills and a strategy. That is no longer the case.. just after putting together my first winning streak and getting somewhere up my div III ladder Im distanced from the top "forever" almost in HT-style.

Imho balancing the economy/revenue within the div ladder would've been the sportmanship approach.

Just my two ores worth

-P

Luckily for me Im much more of a bball-nut anyHOWway so BB looked like the perfect game where everyone actually had a chance to participate and climb with good managing skills and a strategy. That is no longer the case

That's just simply not true.

None of the changes made will prevent teams from rising to the top.

Ok. I was going to drop this, walk away, accept that things aren't going to change and get back to just enjoying the game, but your inability or unwillingness to even accept what people in lower divisions than you are saying is very frustrating.

Fact:NBBA teams make considerably more than anyone else, this is fine, they are at the top, its their right.

Fact:There are more high quality (compared to what every other team has) players on the market, D.I teams don't need to fight over them as tooth and nail as they used to since there are enough for you all to be civil, marginally outbid each other and move on to the next one rather than get in a true bidding war as was the case in the past.

Fact:Top young talent is getting bought up by all the top teams.

Fact:Training speed for young talent is being increased soon.

Teams with money RIGHT NOW are going to get much better over the course of this season with the policies in place. As in faster than you would have if you were playing the game as was in the past. Top teams still got the top talent, it just cost you more and sometimes they didn't want to pay the price, like thats any different than any of us have had to deal with. We will go from a league with teams based soley on merit, to one with current financial position going a huge way, with merit also tossed in. As in if you have the cash and are not buying up 18 year olds with current developments and future ones impending, your going to regret it by next season tremendously. If you don't agree, by all means don't buy anyone under the age of 20 until they stop recycling players.

If a team can compete with an NBBA team who has been in the league longer, has made the sums you have spoken of in TV games when they are a D.IV team, that NBBA team doesn't deserve a spot in the top division because they have not been doing their job. They have a financial advantage, if they can't translate that into a talent advantage with the system as it was, thats their fault. Man up and pay the 1 million for that stud young player rather then 1 million for 4 of them, then take your time and develop them.

Teams can still rise to the top, but will be after this season, hamstrung by these developments. The teams above them are getting rapidly better than other managers in the game because of the changes in system, not because of their diligence. Stop replying to this thread defending the BBs position if you can't see that your getting hooked up, they are doing a great job of it and you with your biased view of these events as an NBBA member, trying to come off as impartial, are not helping anyone.

Edited by cruzanm423 (11/28/2007 4:38:02 AM CET)

Edited by cruzanm423 (11/28/2007 4:40:09 AM CET)

Last edited by cruzanm423 at 11/28/2007 4:40:09 AM

Fact:There are more high quality (compared to what every other team has) players on the market, D.I teams don't need to fight over them as tooth and nail as they used to since there are enough for you all to be civil, marginally outbid each other and move on to the next one rather than get in a true bidding war as was the case in the past.

That hasn't happened.

There are still bidding wars taking place constantly amongst the top teams, and further down the pyramid as well.

Fact:Top young talent is getting bought up by all the top teams.

Fact:Training speed for young talent is being increased soon

Teams can only train a finite amount of players.

Sure, I could buy 20 18 y/o studs, but I can't train them all. With a consistent release of players (and with a big release coming soon), there will be players to go around.


The BBs have stated that their intention is to get definition between the divisions. One of HT's fundamental flaws is that there's no real tangible benefit to promoting up the ladder. Here there is. Once a team promotes, they'll have their economy impacted in a positive way.

If you expect to promote to a new division and automatically compete for a title, it's just not realistic. It doesn't happen in real life in all but the most extreme cases, and shouldn't happen here a majority of the time.

The BBs have an economist on staff to help maintain a healthy, burgeoning economy, and quite frankly, I put more stock in his opinions on this subject than you, me, or pretty much anyone else.

These changes don't really affect me as much as you want to intimate.

I was ahead of the curve when it came to Arena expansions, and that's what has really paid off for me, not any of the changes to the economy.

I'll probably be buying one trainee in the coming days (or weeks), but not because of the changes...I have a Colombian I'm going to offload in favor of an American. As the USA NT manager, it's hypocritical for me to be putting out the message that we need to train our Americans up for the glory of the NT while training a Colombian.


I believe these changes will be good for the long-term health of the economy, and that's why I support them.

It has nothing to do with my team, and any implication that it is is completely wrong.

I don't think you understand and the only way you would is if you were in Div IV right now. You have ben playing for 2-3 months and see a modest level of sucess. My friend is not disagreeing with you nor the changes that are going to take place. As a matter of fact, neither am i. We are just saying, this should not be an overnight thing. I am not alone in that fact.

You are right, I should not be able to walk in from my division IV league and lead a div III league. But, with the TL's, selling my draft picks and the lack of teams in my division that I just moved up into, then yes my rise should be faster. In time with a more mature game, those things don't happen so let the game mature naturally.

Please review your comment throughout this thread. I think you will find instead of faciliating, there was a lot of personal elements applied. It's ok, because we are all human, and we should not be hard on you. But you are a GM, you are in the NBBA, and you do make a ton more cash because of it. The changes don't necessarily have to do anything for you, but no matter what they do.

The edits and comments you choose say something about the ones you dont..

..anyway, the distance between top and bottom are growing more rapidly and it will become a greater handicap to have been born in the bottom than before.

I don't get it...

So what if there's a disadvantage to new teams? There should be! They're brand new!

I love that BB doesn't hand everything to new teams on a silver platter like Hattrick did - that's why I left the game. Everyone in this thread is doing a lot of complaining, but no one is figuring out a solution or a way around it, it's all "woe is me."

If BB makes the playing field level for all teams, there will be no drive to advance or satisfaction upon doing so. I don't know about the rest of you, but I relish the challenge of advancing through the ranks with a (slight or substantial) disadvantage because I have enough faith in myself as a manager that I'll be successful. If you don't, maybe you should go play Hattrick instead.