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The second game I had no chance

if you play with the stronger team, you don't give GDP because you don't have a chance
how do I play with the stronger team and I don't give GDP, is it arrogant?

Surely you can do better than this, if you are such a tactical and scouting wizard as people claim.

in choosing GDP I am an average player in this game



Last edited by darkonza at 9/4/2020 6:49:31 AM

Daytraders would have crushed anyone else, including people trying to follow this strategy, back in the day. Alas, daytrading was always a matter of who has more time to spend on the game after all: it's the same as Strategy 2 on steroids and without having to limit yourself in terms of payroll.

Darkonza also benefited from the fact that past B3 champions were invited to the B3 automatically without restrictions, so he was getting money from that even when he was not winning in his own country. Note that if they removed this rule altogether he would be exposed, because someone doing the same thing as Misagh could come along and knock him out in Poland, which would suddenly dry up the part of his income coming from the B3.

You have tried the same strategy as him: high TSP, low salary guys, but you came up short, because you didn't have enough assets. Now imagine if you had an extra 10 million compared to the best team you've ever had. Do you think you'd have come up short in Spain? I'm doubtful.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 6:51:41 AM

Darkonza also benefited from the fact that past B3 champions were invited to the B3 automatically without restrictions, so he was getting money from that even when he was not winning in his own country.

but I was winning, so it didn't matter

Note that if they removed this rule altogether he would be exposed, because someone doing the same thing as Misagh could come along and knock him out in Poland, which would suddenly dry up the part of his income coming from the B3.

where are the champions who have won B3 several times in a row?
according to you, they made a lot of money
This is so:
you can earn 160k in the RS if you win 8 matches
in PO if you win
70k
85k
100k
150k
and 1kk in final
all together is just a little more than Misagh pays the players for the week
in my case it usually ended in the 3rd round, so I usually earned around 300k per season on B3
and this is the most often earning from teams that incur huge salary costs
B3 is a cost not profit
sorry but you are writing something you don't understand
greetings and good luck







Last edited by darkonza at 9/4/2020 7:04:38 AM

Not sure what you are ranting about: Darkonako's explanation was kind of obvious. In order to win (I mean EASILY win) in this game you need to have a better team. To have a better team you need assets: cash, players, staff and anything that costs money. The guys in this final are emblematic of how you can easily do that.

Option 1: tank and accumulate cash before buying and running a higher payroll than other people. Misagh has done that twice in the past at the B3 level, so he's not new to this. In fact, they changed the rules to make it harder after his second run. This option is just very boring, it seems like he mixed it up with some training this time, but training actually harms this strategy, because it costs money, it doesn't make you money. Needless to say this strategy is harder in nations with more levels of competition because tanking with no consequences is not possible there.

Option 2: instead of buying a high payroll, buy an average payroll that costs you twice as much to acquire. Now, because of the cash restrictions a new team will not be able to match an established one at this strategy, as you cannot spend 35 million on 7 players in 1 season...because you can't have 35 millions in the bank. The key there is to keep making money in every way you can and update the roster before your players lose too much value. This strategy is even worse than the first: it requires to diligently scout the transfer list and spend a lot of time on the game, whereas the first only requires you to log in sporadically for many seasons. Unlike option 1, where the losses due to the high salary will catch up to you, this strategy can be sustained if you can dedicate enough time.

These 2 managers have been better than others at these strategies, especially Darkonza, but the fact of the matter is very few people play the game this way and only this way. And you can see Darkonza plainly admitting that training while competing is too difficult for him. As if many more managers, even in Poland, didn't do precisely that. The majority of people just don't play the game that way and thank god for that, otherwise we wouldn't have trained players.

Option 3: Give lessons of how incredibly shitty options 1 and 2 are if you want to win in BB while you have not won a title in your country (and lost 5 finals, if possible) in 28 seasons playing BB.

I'll definitely take Option 3.

Last edited by Darkonako at 9/4/2020 7:19:54 AM

I was winning, so it didn't matter

it mattered after your first B3 win when you wouldn't have access to the B3 otherwise.

B3 is a cost not profit

you just explained you made money even though you shouldn't have if you didn't have free access to B3 in the past...but yeah getting free access to money that others don't is a cost, not a revenue! You can say it's not a massive amount and therefore not a massive advtantage, but it's still 300k cash that none of your league competitors had access to unless they won something.

If 300k was not a large sum, you wouldn't be dealing 18yo and 19yo every season for similar profit

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 9:59:02 AM

Daytrading isn't a thing, because they first limited it with GS hits, limits to relisting etc. If you go in the suggestion and discussion forums from s20 and earlier you can see how many threads were about daytrading. There were people whose purpose in the game was to have a 9 figure bank account, some said they had over 80 million in the bank...imagine how that would go against people using the current team building strategies.

In any case, when Utopia came out before s30, it still wasn't enough to stop daytraders from easily winning against B3 champions. Like literally my league had B3 winners and was won by a lifelong D3 Bulgarian guy who made several millions during that first season (he went bot like one or 2 seasons later).

So because of that, they tried to crush it with the sale tax. And aside from the unfortunate consequences of said tax, it mostly succeeded in eradicating daytrading at that scale (like millions and millions made in a season).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 9:49:56 AM

I cant understand what you are talking about ... the rules are same for everybody ... you can daytrade , you can dont train ... you can do everything that we do ...!
There are many limites , cash limite , extra tax for extra payroll ... if I earn 25m$ in about 8-9 season, for example a person in south korea can earn it in 8-9 season too! Why anyone from HongKong or an african nation or south korea didnt win B3 yet ? :D ( when I won B3 in season 16 Iran had more than 200 users)
You think I cant repeat my succes in a country with 1000 or more users , you are at wrong! Someone like me will succes anyway , if I was in a macro nation I used a diffrent strategy ! My goal was earn B3 and I did it :D
2 times by tanking , 1 time with training ...

some people like darkonza or sahand are like me ! Succes is in our blood :D in other side some people are like you and only can judge others :D stop judging , start show others what you can do :D win B3 by your strategy and learn it to us :))

Last edited by Misagh at 9/4/2020 10:21:25 AM

I promise it's last answer

I was winning, so it didn't matter

it mattered after your first win when you wouldn't have access to the B3 otherwise.

B3 is a cost not profit

you just explained you made money even though you shouldn't have if you didn't have free access to B3 in the past...but yeah getting free access to money that others don't is a cost, not a revenue! You can say it's not a massive amount and therefore not a massive advtantage, but it's still 300k cash that none of your league competitors had access to unless they won something.

only four season... (28, 31,33,34)
four season / twenty five season
In every other country, the former B3 champions used this bonus more than I did
accusing me of this is completely pointless, because I use it less than anyone else - you can also accuse the lowest player that he has close to the basket and therefore plays well
Your objection would apply more to any other B3 winner, but I know how many disadvantages there are in playing B3, therefore don't envy anyone
it's more much easier to make money in national cups
you are looking for some strange reasons to hit me and every now and then new nonsense
you gotta do what I do, since you know the way:
stop training, trade the young players, win B3, and use B3 money to keep the high level
I will add from myself that it's important to lose the national cup (I often do this), you did not notice that, so I suggest
greetings





Last edited by darkonza at 9/4/2020 10:21:53 AM

What i have in min yes, training FTs and stamina sometimes is even more benefitial and value adding than training 85TSP. In first case it making out of mediocre player above mediocre, in second it is just making a mediocre player. What is VORP (value over replacement player) of mediocre one? EXACTLY 0, what is value of mediocre player with good stamina and FTs? Above 0. Thats so simple.

What i want to say, Drakonza said post bellow.

it is about looking for the best path in a given situation, the situation is changing, the strategy is changing

There is no one way to do things, situation is changing and people must adapt, must take decisions, giving most benefits to get some assets. And if the most obvious decision is not to train from young age, and if with that you manage to acomplish something. Then it is good decision, and it is confirmed by results. Every decision has its benefits and
shotcomings.

The best managers adapt, while worse keeps playing in a sandbox withing the walls, their limited minds created, and complain.

There are so many teams playing as long as other B3 standarts succesfull ones. Didnt they had time to work on any strategy you mentioned? Isnt the playing field somewhat equal to everyone? Why does not others teams take "EASY winning strategy"? Who does not let you to take eazy way?

I think the playing field is somewhat equal to everyone, and it is unfair to complain.

Last edited by Vilkai [LTU NT] at 9/4/2020 10:20:31 AM

Blaming Darkonza by you for taking profits from winning B3 is ridiculus. Hello...he didn't steal it but won (many times):-). The rules are the rules. The same for everybody. Not only he takes these profits. You have also possibility to take them if you meet particular conditions:-) Well, here's the point...only one user per season win it. I guess it's not so easy:D So I think winners deserved on it. By the way these profits for just participating in B3 are rather symbolic.

Similar with blaming him for not having crystal ball to guess GDP:-) Hello...GDP's guessing is rather lottery (for gamblers:D) than measurable abillity. That's why evaluating quality of BB manager basing on using/efficiently using of GDP is nonsene. By the way avoiding being hit in GDP is also offensive strategy. That's why you can't tell Darkonza felt overconfident. If he felt confident, he would have played his the best LI.