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From: Onisifor

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Date: 9/25/2010 2:16:38 PM
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Sorry but it's not a counter evidence. Different starting lineup of the home team in the fist and second game.

From: Neeber

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Date: 9/29/2010 2:42:47 AM
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The score is not determined before the simulation is run. It is, however, determined before you see it "live".


The whole point of the Game Engine is to Calculate the Final Score between the two teams. So i agree with you that the score isn't predetermined because then that would make the GE pretty pointless (other then to read the Play-by-Play) but most of the time if can't watch a Game Live I just check the Box Score.

I wouldn't say it is "Determined" when you are watching it "live" however it has been "Calculated" thanks to the running of the GE.

Neeber

When the Beasts Roar all in the way shall be struck down!!!!!
From: Jadoo

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Date: 9/29/2010 11:10:39 AM
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no it is pre-determined and calculated because if u check ur "manage my team" during the 15 mins cut off time and the game during a home game or a playoff game u willl realize that ull earn the money from the game... furthermore, during that time also right before the game starts, try setting next game's lineup u will realize that one of the players is injured (the exact one who will pick up an injury during the game). i mean, if ur watching the game and X player gets injured u would see that he is injured before watching the game during the 15 mins span (when u go and set up ur line up for the next game).
Thats the main reason why BB will never allow the manager to change his tactics or Sub pattern or starters after the game has started because it will mean scrapping the whole game engine and starting from scratch.


Last edited by Jadoo at 9/29/2010 11:11:30 AM

From: Neeber

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Date: 9/29/2010 11:16:11 PM
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I am pretty sure it wouldn't take the GE 15 minutes to calculate only your game (I mean it has the rest of your country + teams that are in similar time zones to yours). Probably only a matter of seconds to a minute so it doesn't surprise me that you can view all of the information during the 15 minute Cut-off period.

And i am not saying that during the time when you are "Watching it Live" it hasn't been determined just stating that i would assume the point of the GE is to work out the final score of the teams + all of the events that would happen (from passing the ball to a player getting injured).

And i agree with you about why they don't allow you to change after the lock-out. I mean what programmer in their right mind would want a user to change the variables that the GE is using while it is processing the results (And i am talking about in this particular instance not programs in general lol)

Neeber


When the Beasts Roar all in the way shall be struck down!!!!!
From: Jadoo

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Date: 9/30/2010 3:30:28 AM
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yes it might take a couple of seconds or even less to calculate ur game and the rest. the rest of the time (15 mins) is a buffer time in case the GE slowed down or whatever..

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Date: 9/30/2010 3:44:03 AM
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Look at it this way.
My games start at 5:30pm my time so I will use that in my example.

Before 5:15 : All variables come together like tactics etc.
5:15 - 5:30 : Game calculation begins and should finish very early in this time span (takes 1 or 2 minutes). This is where we are debating whether it is predetermined or not.
5:30 - 7:10ish: Game replay is shown.

Do you understand now?

Can you smell what the Hobos are cooking... oh wait its just Roger. (18085274)
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Date: 9/30/2010 9:48:34 AM
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Between 5:15 and 5:30 the game is predetermined.. The proof of that is you can see any injury that "migh" happen in the game and the money u cud make out of it on "my manage team"..
I hope you understand now what I mean :)

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Date: 9/30/2010 10:03:42 AM
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The main issue with this discussion was different peoples interpretation of the term 'predetermined'

Some people thought the score might be 'predetermined' before the game engine runs which isn't the case.

While others were talking about the score being 'predetermined' before the live replay is shown which is the case.

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Date: 9/30/2010 10:24:00 AM
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If you read the start of the thread, this is what I thought they were talking about. I soon understand what Naker was trying to get across. What aussie dude has pointed out is correct.

It is predetermined when you see the "live" replay. This is what your saying.

I think what they want to know is when the GE does the actual calculation (which is the 5:15-5:30 part) is whether an injury or foul out will change the GE in any way.

I believe both 'theories' to the 'predetermined' statements are correct, but I think OP is pointing out towards the actual calculation.

Do you see both sides of fence now?

Can you smell what the Hobos are cooking... oh wait its just Roger. (18085274)
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Date: 9/30/2010 10:30:29 AM
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You play your game. During play one of your players gets either Foul trouble or Injured. At this point does the game engine re-calculate the game or is this just part of a sceniaro playing out to get to the predetermined score?
Sorry if this has been asked before.
Thanks.

~From OP

Read the OP first before swaying off the discussion which is when most people start to get frustrated and wrong. Make a new thread to continue your 'part' of the discussion but please see both sides of the fence.

From what I think.
In that 15 minutes before your game, everything is calculated and the score and all injuries are calculated.
The game will have everything ready to say when you watch it.
This must be true or how does the bonus money before cup work

~From Me (Early in thread)
This is me understanding your side of the debate.

Can you smell what the Hobos are cooking... oh wait its just Roger. (18085274)
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Date: 9/30/2010 11:34:37 AM
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my point is, the score is determined when the GE calculates it I.E. from 5:15 to 5:30 the GE has the score and it plays it for u in the live-game. Thats it. im not swaying off the discussion. this is what naker asked about.

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