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As the game is now, i think it doesnt take strength of opponent (country rank) in to consideration on the fan survey which affects your attendence.

What makes people play around with the cup games is knowing that the main punishment for losing in the cup is the loss of cup revenue. You beat a bot by 20, the fans survey just sees win.

What would be nice is if an upset of a team ranked 3/4 spots ahead of you caused a spike in revenue.
It would also be nice if the fan survey reflected WHO you lost to and not only that you had a disappointing cup run.

The cup draw is random. Beating 6 5th division opponents is not as difficult as playing a top 5 team in your country to a 5 point loss.

When an underdog barely loses to a strong team, that should actually spike revenue in my opinion.

I think if the game were to reward close losses and punish blow outs,

1) you would have fewer teams tanking.
(you should not be making big money JUST because you are in the first division. if your point differential is worst in the league, you shouldnt make still be making 500k a game. Take that incentive out of the game with tanking teams getting big money and you would have teams fighting for the MONEY)

2) you would have underdog teams considering the CT more often.
(just because you feel you cant win, you should still have incentive to challenge. In too many leagues, the game is a mere formality. If i know playing the top team to within 10 point is considered more than a 50 point loss, im going to try. If they are the same, I like many others are thinking about training.)

When i play a team in the cup that says "managed my a computer player", it treats that win the same as a win over a top 5 team in the country.

The revenues for games should me smoother. on a gradual ascent, a gradual decent or more or less even. If you have a good team, revenues for he game should be more so determine by the home team, not the visitor. I could see slight decrease based on opponent, but if you are averaging 480k per game, on a weak game after a bad lost, you should at worst see 440/450.

On the other hand, if you just had a historic win or an upset, why shouldnt your revenue spike upwards for on game? If i beat the number 1 team in the country, why shouldnt my next home game set a record?

I see what Kitakyushu is trying to say.

We should be able to predict these gate receipts within 25k + or -. when its more than that, that make it hard to "manage" a team.

Take that incentive out of the game with tanking teams getting big money and you would have teams fighting for the MONEY

Do you know what happens to teams that tank? They relegate and get a lot less income. I played in Estonian top league last season (just promoted). I tryed to win games, managed to win 5 games. Yes the money was good in the early stages, but I had to lower prices every price change oportunity. I had highest income of 555k and that had dropped to 472k in my last home game + I had dropped prices twise that season, to get more growd to show up. My first income in divII was 256k. That's a big drop, don't you think? Getting back up is really hard. You can see demotion and promotion history of Estonia. A lot of the teams think the challenge is too hard and they quit.
You guys are in Japan with 41 users. Guys botting in top league and you complain about income fluctuation? Really??? Half of the league has crappy players, that's why your income suffers more when you have just lost and divIII team comes to play against you in your home (as a top league game).

If i know playing the top team to within 10 point is considered more than a 50 point loss, im going to try.

Do you know what the difference is? If you lose your games by 50 points instead of someone who loses by 10 points. When the season ends and you have the exactly same win loss record. The guy who has lost by 10 points will get that 7-th spot and has a chance to stay in the league, while you get relegated.
About the cup. Like in real life. Noone remembers who you lost against (after a week or two), what they remember is that you lost in that round. If you keep winning against weaker opponents, your survey stays around 3-3,5. If you reach the round you are expected to reach the survey goes up. Nobody cares who you are playing, they expect you to win.
Like I said the more you win in a row the better your attendance is the same with losing (you will lose more near the seasons end if you have a losing record).

We should be able to predict these gate receipts within 25k + or -. when its more than that, that make it hard to "manage" a team.

You can predict the difference with a win or a loss previous you last home game. Like I said before if you want solid income (it does not matter win or loss before your home game), lower your arena prices. This way the fluctuation is not that big (you can even set them so low, that you make the same money every game). If you want to maximize the arena income, you need to evaluate your schedule and set the right prices. There is no doubt even with a fluctuation of + - 75k, you make more money than with prices that fill your arena every time.
Seriously guys L2P...

it take how many round u get into the cup and the score difference of the last game played

The round you go out in. Malaysian cup has less rounds all together, so actually you have done good in the cup for the last 3-4 seasons. Are you saying you remember exactly what your fansurvey was in season 16? I find it highly doubtable.
Obviously fan survey depends on PR-Manager level aswell.

Did you really just post that.....
I know PL games are played in arcade mode....come on....a bit slow are we?
But..we weren't talking about injuries and minutes. We are talking about the attendance code written into the game.
Attendance at any HOMEGAME is effected by prices, PR staff, Winning and losing. EVEN PL games.
PL game against a Div.3 team.....(88619)
PL game against a Div.1 team.....(36144411)
so why such a bid difference if the tickets are FREE as you say.......I can tell you...The attendance code is still calculating on what the attendance should be when all the things that effect attendance are taken into account. The only difference is that there is no money for the Home team.
Lazy I'm not....Not too bright...you are!!!

Probably not my businesses, but rude you are, aren't you? The guy did make a poor choice of words in his explanation - I'm talking about "free admission" part - but you completely missed his point which was that PL games are different than regular league games, and therefore it makes no sense to compare the two. But even if he was not right about that either, he surely didn't deserve all that rage that came from you afterwards ("a bit slow are we?"; "Not too bright... you are!!!"). Again, not that it is my business, but I think you owe him an apology.

Well I looked at your situation. As we all know, winning away has a BIG impact on your next home game income. We can clear that PL fuzz right away. We all know that PL get's played in arcade mode. That also means no entu is put into it. One special thing to notice is: when winning by walkover in PL, the minute distribution does not equal to normal league/cup game. So they are somewhat different systems. What comes to the PL attendance, you conveniently "forgot" to mention those 2 games were semifinal and final of that PL. Obviously those attendances should be higher than your "normal".
Looking at your schedule and arena attendance it was normally a bit below 17k. You lost in the cup (in the 1-st round), it does not matter to who you lose, it matters when you lose. The yearly runner up was pushed out of the cup early. You compensated this by keeping your league record clean. You even managed to win your televised game against your rival. The fans were thinking is this really the year Kitakyushu is going for the championship. With some luck in the fan survey (we all know it's a bit random there aswell) you managed to produce unbelievable +2000 crowd on your next home game. When you visited Sharman, you were brought back down to earth. This produced (with perhaps some unluck) a bad enough fan survey + the effects of falling out of the cup early were evident + your next opponent home was a lousy team. Obviously you took a hit, that was suitable to your current situation.
Perhaps this loss, made your fans realise again, that your team is a yearly semifinal team (yet again) with no cup success this year.
NB! There was also a price change date before the last match. Perhaps you meddled with the prices or did not notice you had changed them before and are keeping this info from us aswell. Once again: with away loss comes a huge drop in bleacher attendance and a loss in lower tier seat attendance.
NB!2 Winners don't whine...

Finally... A voice of reason :-)

Current attendance system is not perfect, but it denies top teams the luxury to lose a game here or there and still get away with it, so they have to give their best more often than they would like.

I usually agree with you, but this time I must disagree.
Just look at this guy's attendance http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/22777/arena.aspx, and then look at his current record as well as his records in the past two seasons. What do you think? Still think that there is nothing wrong with the way attendance is calculated? That "top teams have to give their best more often than not"?
If there were any logic in this game, this guy - with the way his team is run right now - shouldn't have more than 10 fans per game, and even that is too much.
I understand your motivation, but there is a lot of things here - not just the attendance formula - that are not working as they should.

EDIT:
By the way, does anyone care to explain how the guy from my example above manages to have such a high attendance?

Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 12/4/2011 5:38:17 AM

His attendance is so high, because he's in D.II charging D.IV prices. The lower the prices the less fluxuation you have.