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Sorry but your U21 trainer discussion still doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you can cap a MVP player with a level 4 trainer which was the statement you made that I disputed. I'm still confused on why you brought it into the discussion.

I'm not trying to be a dick but could you please provide the proof that a level 6 trainer would provide 'a minimum of about 12 pops' over 6 seasons more than a level 4 trainer because the training data doesn't appear to agree with that assessment.

Sorry but your U21 trainer discussion still doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you can cap a MVP player with a level 4 trainer which was the statement you made that I disputed. I'm still confused on why you brought it into the discussion.

18-21 is the prime time years for training. You have to get a good enough base by 22 to be able to finish off(CAP) a MVP POT player by 26. I feel like I am repeating myself. Age 18-21 and Age 22-26 are totally different. Training slows down with age, so talking about the 4 fastest years of training when discussing about CAPPING a player is very important and should be brought into the discussion. And I don't think a level 4 trainer can get you a good enough base to be able to cap a MVP, it just isn't going to be doable.

'm not trying to be a dick but could you please provide the proof that a level 6 trainer would provide 'a minimum of about 12 pops' over 6 seasons more than a level 4 trainer because the training data doesn't appear to agree with that assessment.

Sorry...I am not going to release training info on players that are currently on my countries NT team. But if you want to see it for yourself, either buy a level 6/7 trainer are become a U-21/NT coach. There you can see all levels of training and trainers(mainly 5-7).
So here is my question to you.....If you become a U-21 coach, and a manager asks if a level 4 trainer is good enough....Would you tell him YES?

Still, not everybody can afford to pay them. I fear to say it, but here we go, as member of a small country you have some easy money to let you pay the L6/7 you have. This is not the case everywhere. A guy who wants to succeed with his club shouldn't pay L6/7 unless he is in a country where the money is relatively easy to get.

Myself, I had to change from 5 to 4 this week-end because I'm short on money for the end of the season.

Wolph is that you!!
Not the small country vs big country thing again. and how is the money EASY to get when I have to stay above a 360K salary floor? What is your league average for salary? What is your leagues floor? Teams with under 400K in salary this season are going to be demoted. Relatively easy to get...You make me laugh....Hahahahahaha!!
BTW...My level 7 trainer coast me 6K and he makes 78K a week in salary. That is money well spent for the pops!!!

Last edited by Yellow cake at 4/16/2013 12:30:27 PM

So you think that you can get a MVP pot. player up to 110-120 TSP by 26 with a level 4 trainer? That is crazy talk!!....even with the perfect height/ and a starting TSP of 65(that would be 5 averages and 5 respectables)....and I am not talking about 20 driving and 20 handles, I'm talking about primaries with great secondaries.....example
a 6'6 SF/PF with 120 TSP at 26
Jump Shot: tremendous Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: tremendous Handling: tremendous
Driving: wondrous Passing: strong
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: prodigious
Rebounding: wondrous Shot Blocking: strong

That would be impossible with a level 4 trainer...
Common knowledge is this....all great NT level players are built with level 6 or 7 trainers.
As a U-21 manager, I tell all the owners of my U-21 players....5 is cool, 6 is great, 7 is the best
most guys with 4's, their players get left behind. and when the Level 7 trainer owners start submitting their data, you will see a big difference.

I capped my 25 AS, last season. All done with a level 4. http://bb-usa.net/club/viewpublic.php?shareString=ZJuUqKqSYmQ=

Your telling me, with MVP potential, I couldn't hit that in another 2 seasons? I find that REALLY hard to believe.

This guy is 19yo SS all trained with a level 4, http://bb-usa.net/club/viewpublic.php?shareString=ZZmUqqOVZWs= OD might be tough to hit on that, but as for the rest, cake. And more then likely before he's 26.

I really hate sharing my builds.

So here is my question to you.....If you become a U-21 coach, and a manager asks if a level 4 trainer is good enough....Would you tell him YES?

If I was coaching either U21 or NT I would tell people to buy the highest trainer possible because training faster means the players become better, quicker. Obviously. It's even more important for U21 than NT because you've only got 3 to 3.5 seasons to get them to the highest level possible.

I would also argue that training a player for U21 and training a player for NT require completely different tactics. If I trained a player with high potential from scratch I could almost guarantee you that he wouldn't make U21 because I'd train his secondaries first.

But again, that has absolutely nothing to do with my previous question. ;) I'll take your word on the extra pops but the training site data doesn't appear to agree with you. I do think that people have ideas in their heads about training speed all these seasons that may be overstated.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 4/16/2013 6:05:59 PM

I disagree, a cheap lvl 6 (30k a week) compared to a lvl 4 (10-15k a week) would only enhance the club.

Just shop around.

and

Firstly, for those that dont know, the debate is over the training speed analysis done on this awesome training site. If your not a member, join now and upload your training stats.

(http://training.bb-usa.net/club/showTrLevEffect.php)

I agree that the stats OVERALL do show very little when comparing lvl 4 to 5. However look at the details and you'll see why I think these stats are still way off.

Lets look at 18-21 yo data, separated year by year.

For example, look at the 18 year old data.

It shows lvl 4 trainers as 100.1 compared to lvl 5 100.

19 yo data

lvl 4s now are apparently 99.3 compared to lvl 5 100.

20 yo data

lvl 4 is now 93.8 compared to lvl 5 100.

21 yo data

lvl 4 is faster again! 100.4 compared to lvl 5 100.

so conclusion:

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK8sxngSWaU)

Why are the stats still off?

Possibly because this site allows users to submit all their prior training results, using their current level trainer, rather than which trainer was used at the time. Food for thought.

Last edited by Kilrtom at 4/16/2013 7:29:40 PM

Basic trainers & starter potential are where it's at.