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From: Phyr

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Date: 8/6/2015 5:23:05 PM
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Yes, building your own team you get 100% control. U21 you have to convince other managers to train the way that you want. Only one person to blame if your club fails.

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From: Phyr

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For America's stake I hope you plan it better than your NBBA season.

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Date: 8/6/2015 5:32:51 PM
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The same way you had a plan before?

"I plan on taking this micro nation and winning the Asian Cup next season - That is take a team that was ranked 94th out of 98 and take them to the World Cup as the Asian Champions."

But if you want legitimate questions, why would you prefer to ask managers to create a useless 3-point specialist as their only chance to make the team? Would it not be better to just tell them that player doesn't have a chance at U21, but here's a training plan to make him better for your club? Also, in my previous hypothetical on training with particular regard to the HoF big, why would you tell the manager to just do what he thinks best? And why wouldn't your initial reaction be that, with that starting build, he needs to be getting 1v1 and secondaries training for a couple seasons for a REAL chance at the NT with a chance as a SF for the U21?

I have 1757 players for sale and I'm $25,835,360 in debt. Buy them at outrageous prices, or be selfish and make me go bankrupt. You decide, BB.
From: Phyr

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I do concede that I lost one game. I just don't think you and your fellow candidate could have done better than I did. I overachieved with that team. Just ask EBW, arguably the greatest U21 manager in USA/world history (or maybe tied with magiker), about the job I did. If he thinks I can do it, you should trust him.

Anyone who manages the U21 team the next two seasons will have a much easier time winning a Gold because of the effort I put into scouting and training young players. The bigs on the S32 team are nearly a whole season ahead of the s31/s32 teams. The bigs on the s33 team worlds team are even better because I am personally training them.

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Date: 8/6/2015 6:08:27 PM
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Phyr:

We all know you're a qualified manager and did a great job this season making some gutsy calls that usually bounced our way but didn't always. In addition, you've done an amazing job doing the heavy lifting of scouting and tracking of U21 players, which is no small feat with so many draftees each season, so I believe your credentials are proven, as a Finals appearance actually is an accomplishment, and currently have my vote. My question for you though is how does the U21 continue to get better from here and sustain the success we've seen recently? Not just for the upcoming Worlds but how do we sustain the scouting systems, involving more coaches and development of future players, especially when the Offsite, where much of this is done, has seen the loss of key members with the know how?

thegame:

Getting to the NBBA is no joke so I don't doubt your managing capabilities but club management, where everything is on your shoulders, is still different than management at the national level, where you have to work with and rely upon other managers. You do have experience with this through coaching New Zealand's team, which is good, though there are quite a bit more managers who are involved in the United States with a pretty good number of the ones who are engaged with U21, active in the Offsite. I definitely agree with you that there are more managers in the US not represented in the Offsite though the Offsite is always welcoming and tends to be a place that any manager with interest is able to participate.

As Phyr noted, you seem to contradict yourself occasionally as you even noted the value of the Offsite when you said,
If I was honest I don't think I would use as much as past mangers, but I am not an idiot, I knows its our best resource, and it is where most the really engaged mangers for U21 meet. So I would still use it (and way more than I do right now). The scouting and training parts I think would not change (as the system for monitoring it is perfect, I just want to change the training path of a few players). I would also have the discussions of rosters and game planning, but if I was honest I don't think it would as much as they are doing right now.

So why with all the value that the Offsite proves to bring, along with the success it has had, would you use it less even when you see it as our "best resource"? Along with that, when you had made your intention known about 6 months ago of your desire to run this season on the Offsite and received feedback from a number of managers, myself included, to start to acquaint yourself with the current system and community involved in gameplanning, why didn't you do so? It just appears to me that, while yes, the U21 coach represents all of the US managers, you're still somewhat alienating your best resource in the Offsite managers by downplaying the value it has had and by that I mean the input of managers who actively want to help the U21 coach with gameplanning and scouting.

GODBEAR:

I enjoy your commentary and GO(L)DBEAR is probably the best campaign slogan I've heard. You're this election's Trump card! Not sure how serious your campaign is but without having the title of "U21 Coach", what's stopping you from trying to get involved with gameplanning and help win the Gold?

Last edited by A Warrior at 8/6/2015 6:13:38 PM

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Date: 8/6/2015 7:20:45 PM
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I appreciate the response, it actually helps me understand your coaching style better. As follow-up questions, how would you navigate motivating people to help you with training and scouting but not accept their gameplanning input, especially when this is how things have successfully been run for awhile now? Also, who would you consider to be an "experienced" enough manager that you would listen to the thoughts of?

I ask because I'm a manager who has been engaged with the gameplanning on the Offsite since Season 25 and would like to think that at least every now and then I've been able to contribute useful input. In some people's eyes though, my club management might not show enough "experience" as I only reached the D.II level to be rudely awakened and since have put more focus on training players for the US U21 squad with having had 3 players on the team and have about 5 potential players for season 33. What would your plan be for me or other managers that want to get involved but might not meet your standard of having enough "experience"?

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