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That's a perfect reasonable calculation but you are assuming that the decrease in pressure is the same as in passing over the years. What is, in my opinion, and from my experience, completly wrong!

I strongly disagree, to me my assumption seems rather basic and logical and I would have to see some tangible evidence to believe otherwise. It makes little sense for the base coefficient to change on a skill. I guess theoretically each skill could have it's own age coefficient, but that makes little sense to me from a design viewpoint, or from a gameplay viewpoint.

Plus, you have to take in consideration that pressure trains OD, HD, DR and ID and passing trains PA, HD and DR.
There's clear a difference here. Besides... What would you like to have more in a player? OD or PA?

I am not saying that training only pressure in the beginning is the best to do. But in my opinion, there are clearly some advantages on that!

I was just saying that I think it's a myth that you should train the "slower" skills first because you will get the same training amount no matter when you train if it's additive (which I think it is). Or you would actually get more benefit from doing the "faster" skills if it's multiplicative.

Really it comes down to if you are training to maximize your players skills, or trying to do that in a manner that will also leads to club success. If it is the former, than a balanced approach is the best.

Imagine that a rookie with 18 years old can pop in OD by pressure every two weeks. With 19 years old he can pop every 2,5 weeks and with 20 every 3 weeks.

I don't think this is even close to correct. I have 22 and 24-year olds popping in OD the same as an 18 year old.

That just seems .....wrong.

That's easy... In the portuguese community, me and about 15 users, where analysing the several trainings and passing is the one we got more information on.

With just two players I can show you two things for the passing:
- The coefficient doesn't change (apparently) with age
- The size doesn't influence passing

18 years old - 2,18 m - Single position for 6 weeks
PA - X - PA - X - PA - PA

20 years old - 2,08 m - Single position for 6 weeks
PA - X - PA - PA - X - PA

I have also given passing train for 3 weeks (two positions) this season and this were my results:

18 years old - 2,06 m
PA - X - PA

22 years old - 1,85 m
X - PA - X

21 years old - 2,13 m
X - PA - X

20 years old - 1,90 m
X - PA - X

22 years old - 1,85 m
PA - X - PA

21 years old - 1,85 m
X - PA - X

Really it comes down to if you are training to maximize your players skills, or trying to do that in a manner that will also leads to club success. If it is the former, than a balanced approach is the best.

But that's what I was saying before. My advice was definitly to maximize the player's skills.


@ GM-somdetsfinest

I don't think this is even close to correct. I have 22 and 24-year olds popping in OD the same as an 18 year old.

That doesn't seem possible and my experience and the data I have from ~40 players, tells me you are completly wrong. If that is true then I don't understand why NT coaches are so worried about OD in young ages! Or why shouldn't we start buying players with low levels of OD but pretty good already in other skills and just train pressure.

You have this guy on the transfer list:

Age: 23
Height: 6'1" / 185 cm
Potential: MVP

Jump Shot: marvelous Jump Range: prolific
Outside Def.: pitiful Handling: prolific
Driving: sensational Passing: strong
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: strong
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: awful Free Throw: mediocre

2 seasons of pressure and he would be a monster? (if you consider that he pops as fast as a rookie with 18 years old)

NT coaches are so worried about OD in young ages! Or why shouldn't we start buying players with low levels of OD but pretty good already in other skills and just train pressure.

Thats because sometimes NT's managers we go crazy haha ¡

Anyway, as i said before from my experience and opinion the best way to train a PG is to do it in a balanced way. Of course that if he has the OD in 6 or so you can train it to 9-10 or 11 fast but arrived to that point, its better to focus on his others skills.

You talk about maxiimize the player skill then you are wrong. If that player can defend well with a 11-12 OD, why you wanna go to OD 15 so fast? You can improve on passing and shooting and you will maximize his performance on the court and for the team performance it will be also better.

Anyway its true that doing what you said, you can have a rookie of 19 years playing on the court, but doing it on a balanced training you can have it with 20 and his performance will be better, not to talk that with 21 he can start to be a monster.


Just to conclude if you look at PG's performance of u21 teams you will see that the best PG's at this moment are not those who have a high OD and passing(so a monoskilled PG), the best are those who can defend, assist, shoot and drive under the basket.

your 18 year old is 6'5" and your 24 year old is 6'0"
- you don't have a 22 year old on your roster? Sold him on?

Here is my guy:

Winston Hightower (12588489) Point Guard

Weekly salary: $ 12 150

DMI: 88500
Age: 20
Height: 6'6" / 198 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: wondrous Handling: proficient
Driving: respectable ↑ Passing: proficient
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: awful
Rebounding: pitiful Shot Blocking: respectable
Stamina: inept Free Throw: awful

Experience: awful

Thoughts? I am training passing right now. Goal is to get him to about prolific/sensationalish in passing and then probably some one on one.

The older guys might have been close to popping (Say 5.9 for example) Then went to 6.5 and then 7.2, or something like that. I have not noticed that my 22-year old especially is developing any more slowly than my 18 year old in any skill and they have been training hand in hand this whole season.

well, i decided to give you a little update on this:

(135656.36)
(126140.560)

Weekly salary: $ 11 126 [+ $ 6 148]

Age: 20
Height: 7'3" / 221 cm
Potential: perennial allstar

Jump Shot: awful(3) Jump Range: atrocious(1)
Outside Def.: mediocre(5) Handling: respectable(7)
Driving: pitiful(2) +1 Passing: respectable(7)
Inside Shot: strong(8) +2 Inside Def.: sensational(12) +5
Rebounding: prolifict(11) +5 Shot Blocking: prominent(10) +3
Stamina: inept(4) +1 Free Throw: strong(8)

Experience: atrocious(1)

He recieved Skilltraining in 19 of possible 24 weeks. I wonder what happend if i chose him to be my maintrainee since week1... maybe its time to work on his shooting skills now... but i also like the idea of a defensive hustler.
anyway, still proud of this steal, and even getting more and more ;-)