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Date: 3/6/2013 11:13:57 PM
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Ok let me rephrase, since I myself trained Logsdon so obviously there are a rare few managers who would do it, but we are talking NT here. To sustain the salary of a 200k-250k SG you would have to be an NBBA team. NBBA teams with outside offense generally do not last long in the current environment, especially ones with 250k guards (that only on and off play for the NT so no assured merch boost). Before you say it, yes there are successful outside offense NBBA teams, obviously Silverbacks, but he doesnt do it with mega NT SGs. So we would need to be sure that the GE change is significant or these 200k+ outside offense guards will retire. If we shift our player development of our HOF potential players towards creating high salary SGs who retire at 29 or bounce around from one D5 team to another we will be causing great damage to the NT program IMO.

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Date: 3/6/2013 11:15:07 PM
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I am liking the sound of this idea. A mainly outside tactic can crush inside oriented teams if we construct the team properly. It would take a long time, but it may pay off big.

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Date: 3/6/2013 11:16:17 PM
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If in 8 seasons I am still in d. V delete my account as I don't deserve it.


Edit: what did your typical finances look like? Did you have any homegrown talent? How American only was your team?

Last edited by ShadowSlam at 3/6/2013 11:18:06 PM

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Date: 3/6/2013 11:19:48 PM
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Not too sure how this is relevant, but it only took me two full seasons to leave easily. If you listen to some of the tips and read the forums it will be a piece of cake. You'll probably be in D.IV-III by then.

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Date: 3/6/2013 11:20:36 PM
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If in 8 seasons I am still in d. V delete my account as I don't deserve it.


Agreed. In the scenario that you are in D3 in 8 seasons you still can't sustain a 200k player. D2 teams can, but its very difficult to do for more than a one season push to promote to NBBA.

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Date: 3/6/2013 11:31:38 PM
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Edit: what did your typical finances look like? Did you have any homegrown talent? How American only was your team?


I lost money when my team was a good outside offense team. Had Logsdon and Dube, both were 220k ish at the time. When they were regular NTers the merchandise boost (about +30k each) made it financially viable, but they weren't regular NTers for long at all. I paid 3.3m for Logsdon and trained him to be a beast SG for the NT, it nearly destroyed my team. Doubt you find anyone willing to do that anymore to make a SG unless the GE changes.

Point I'm making is that as things stand right now, taking our HOF potential guards and turning some of them into outside offense players, has the potential to be a disaster unless the GE changes are significant...which we don't know. Taking our HOF guards and training secondaries is totally fine, because it helps both the NT and the owner of the player with salary.

Edit: grammar

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Date: 3/6/2013 11:35:36 PM
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Ok so.

Thinking about financial accounting and managerial accounting when I took them in college.

What was your income from arena at time and compared to league average? Same with merchandise pre nt bonus and post still compared. And what was tv contract?

Since it takes like 8+ years... Best to get the information out sooner rather than later for people to prepare

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237178.72 in reply to 237178.71
Date: 3/6/2013 11:48:31 PM
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I have a question for NewEra. Please don't take this the wrong way, i just think it needs to be pointed out. There is a core of people that have been a part of the NT effort for a long time now, Sleet being one of them. By this I mean active in scouting, game planning, and helping get American players trained. While I think you have good ideas and are an all-around good duy, you haven't been a part of this effort. Why should we vote for you instead of someone like Sleet, or even Isaiah, who has been around the NT and knows the personnel, procedures, etc that are involved?

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237178.73 in reply to 237178.72
Date: 3/7/2013 12:00:04 AM
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I completely understand your concern. In my speech, I mentioned that I will most likely NOT get elected. My intent is to become a bigger part of the NT community and become more involved. I believe I can contribute to the effort. By running for the manager, I have gotten LOADS of knowledge and opinions that will help guide me in my quest for becoming a contributor to the NT. Obviously someone like Sleet will be more qualified, so I take no offense to your question. At my current state, I would say that there no reasons to vote for me over the people you mentioned. They are more experienced and have already taken initiative. If I did get elected though, I would put in a great amount of work making sure that I help move the team forward, and not hold it back (although I admit I would require some help from the community).

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Date: 3/7/2013 12:07:48 AM
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New perspective.

Chip Kelly vs Andy reid

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237178.75 in reply to 237178.74
Date: 3/7/2013 8:46:31 AM
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We may have deviated a bit from the biggest problem in our roster. Now guard play is important, but considering that an outside offense is questionable right now, let's put that aside for the moment. The US has always been top tier in guard play, and while we can improve, it's not our biggest concern. What we lack in world-class competition is competitive bigs. Right now we can't compete with the Chinese, and barely the Chileans for that matter. We've seen some secondary strong bigs come through the pipes recently, and that's extremely commendable to the manager who put in that hard work, but it's not consistent enough, especially at PF. Whether we eventually go with an outside offense or not, we have to realize that most other teams are going to be running LI anyway.

Of course there are concerns about 250k guards, but a top quality big costs up to 300k easily. 99% of American players can't afford this kind of guy, but it's the kind of player we're going up against at worlds, with teams using a strategy that allows these players to dominate. So our biggest problem here is not figuring out what guards we need, it's figuring out a way to stop these monster bigs and maintain a strong defense against a LI oriented NT landscape.

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