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I won't go on with this as I've already said what I wanted to say and I don't want to change your opinion.

Just this last comment:

He's driving hard and killing his man with the stop on a dime, high elevation and quick release mid-range jumper that Kobe copied thru the following decade. He'd been using that move for over 10 years and he still got Byron Russell to bite on it for his final points in a Bulls jersey.

Offensive foul, in FIBA basketball, NBA with former or current rules, in the Moon and in Mars. Not in that game, not with him, legends sometimes get some help from refs. "In dubio pro Jordan" would be the explanation, it's a latin sentence very well known for lawiers (the real one is "in dubio pro reo" if my memory is not playing tricks on me)

To be fair, the push-off had a lot to do with that!

Offensive foul, in FIBA basketball, NBA with former or current rules, in the Moon and in Mars.

This could be a whole thread on its own, with less chance of coming to agreement then this thread.

Last edited by brian at 6/16/2011 8:42:00 AM

Enough said.
His Airness has no equal!

To compare any NBA player post-MJ, to MJ, is heresy!!!

Such a gifted basketbal player, human being, cannot be so lightly compared. I feel sad that so many feel the need to tarnish his greatness. Leave him on that pedestal. He is there for a reason.

Such a gifted basketbal player, human being, cannot be so lightly compared

personally i think his personality wasn't that outstanding, but you are right for the goat discussion there was no other player after him(and maybe just 2-3 before).

LeChoke!

Magic won a championship in his rookie year, Bird won one the next year...so in comparison, Jordan took a long time to get his first ring. Give LeChoke time...

Last edited by Solana_Steve at 6/28/2011 2:41:56 AM

Magic won a championship in his rookie year, Bird won one the next year...so in comparison, Jordan took a long time to get his first ring. Give LeChoke time...

Well, let the comparison (re)begin. After six years, neither of them had championships.

In six playoff appearances, LeChoke(I think this one is going to stick around for a while) averages 43.6 MPG, 7.0 APG, 46% FG, 74% FT, 713-956 FT, and 28.0 PPG

In the first six playoff appearances, Michael averages 42.9 MPG("roughly" the same), 48.55 % FG, 6.3 APG, 85.01% (I believe this is significantly higher),519-623 FT, 36.08 PPG!.

Clearly, Jordan is a better scorer and not only because of the obvious 36 PPG, but also because LeChoke's average is lying a little bit, because he gets a whistle whenever someone give him small push, shove, ugly look, whatever... and his real ppg is about 23-24, which, needless to say is not that impressive, plus most of his FG were layups or dunks, not jumpshots, so FG% should really go down with 2 or 3% at least. All this being said, you should already be wandering if this thread should really exist.
Plus, Michael played in the times when "anything goes" was at its best. So, he had to counter all sorts of pushes, shoves, aggressive picks, trash talk, etc.

And for the conclusion, Michael never went "at war" with the media, and never paid too much attention to it. And in that department, LeChokey made the biggest mistake of his carrer

I think the big comparison should be not in what they've done, but in what they've failed to do. Jordan never failed like this...

I don't know, LeBron has good chemistry with his teammates and isn't necessarily berating team employees or anything.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP1Hv29Zvok
Sure it was Cleveland but still.