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From: jfarb
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199844.66 in reply to 199844.64
Date: 11/2/2011 4:56:58 PM
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Again, Terrance Hammond arguably was the best player on the U21 by the end of the season. Here were his skills:

4/2/2/1/1/1 -17/16/17/8

In the end his secondaries didn't matter. I think magiker is right, the point he is making is that whats good for NT/U21 is different from whats good for your club team. U21 is an arms race.

Now obviously we went solely LI last season, making big guys with great primaries but terrible secondaries (Hammond, Ashville etc) more valuable. Every team and every season is different. In Season 16, until Harris Carson and some others came along, the team was somewhat based on outside offense (Suarez, Beverly, etc). In that situation, a big with less IS and more JS, and other subs is more useful. K now I'm being super obvious. Just saying that I understand the point magiker is trying to make differentiating club teams and national teams.

Last edited by jfarb at 11/2/2011 4:58:16 PM

From: Stauder
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199844.67 in reply to 199844.66
Date: 11/2/2011 5:04:19 PM
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Most of you that are candidates have used the buzz phrase "further community involvement" within your speeches or answers to some of the questions. However I haven't heard a lot about HOW this could be accomplished. SO my questions is simple...If you think more community involvement is needed, HOW are you going to make this happen? Please don't use the token phrases "continue what we are doing" or "reach out to the community". I am very interested in specific ideas you have.

From: Panic

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199844.68 in reply to 199844.67
Date: 11/2/2011 5:13:21 PM
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Part of our PR disarray was solely my fault last season. I apologized already on the offsite, and completely forgot to issue an onsite apology. If elected, I'd be all for more contests and more of everything. We have some newer managers recently influxing into the offsite in the past couple months, and their involvement could be crucial in future seasons. Helping out newer managers is always a smart move, because the more hands on deck and more support across the board is never a bad thing.

For another, scouting changes may not be necessary, but changes to make them more community-involving could also bring some more new ideas to the system.

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To: Coco
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199844.70 in reply to 199844.69
Date: 11/2/2011 5:22:59 PM
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Agreed, for the most part yes, whats good for U21 isnt all that different from whats good for clubs. Perhaps I am letting NT matters cloud my opinion on U21. U21 guards especially are not going to go train past a point of declining returns. But a player like Hammond? Hes nearly 200k now. His manager could've stopped at 15/15/15 type primaries to keep his salary down and his value intact, and maybe gotten a few pops from subs in the process. However if he had done that, maybe we wouldn't be celebrating a Worlds gold right now. Which is why I generally agree with magiker's sentiment of focusing on primary training for U21 players. These are all general statements, we will always have some specialized players with unique goals and skills.

From: Isaiah

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199844.71 in reply to 199844.65
Date: 11/2/2011 5:26:58 PM
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I really want to revisit my first question.

I think only magiker really got the jist of what I was asking. Obviously, we all want the best players in the best game shape and to leave spots open on the roster. However, everyone has 7 GS and a fixed starting point for their skills in week 1. Our first competitive game is in ~10 days, then we have 13(?) weeks of games.

So how do you plan on making good decisions in week 1 that last the season? What are some things you are going to look for and how are you going to find the answers?

Week one decisions will be based off of who the best players are at the time as well as potential. If a player is already capped I do not want him on the team to start. Also, I will be making decisions based on potential. If I have to choose between 2 guys, obe that is a little better but capped or another one that is a little worst than the first but better potential, then i would pick the second.I dont think i mentioned anything about GS in my other post about regarding the first 12 on the team but I may have.

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199844.72 in reply to 199844.70
Date: 11/2/2011 5:30:15 PM
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You have said that you want to see more primaries on centers, and you have used Terrence Hammond as an example. Although Hammond was possibly the best player on the team last season, Jimmie Brown, arguably our best guard, shot 0-20 from 3. Due to the fact that we ran a LI offense last season, the big men will get more touches of the ball, and they will have more opportunites to kick the ball out to a guard for 3. Do you think that the low passing on some of the bigs we had caused such poor shooting performances from Jimmie Brown?

From: Isaiah

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199844.73 in reply to 199844.67
Date: 11/2/2011 5:33:06 PM
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Most of you that are candidates have used the buzz phrase "further community involvement" within your speeches or answers to some of the questions. However I haven't heard a lot about HOW this could be accomplished. SO my questions is simple...If you think more community involvement is needed, HOW are you going to make this happen? Please don't use the token phrases "continue what we are doing" or "reach out to the community". I am very interested in specific ideas you have.


This is how im going to do it. If I am elected manager i plan on having several more contests and games to get more people involved. Jason started this with the U21 contest but I want to go even further in producing more events. Such events will make it even more competitive for owners to make an U21 player. I also plan on forming a rivaly contest. Who doesnt like rivalries? It would be a great way for owners to continue training and become active in the community.

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199844.75 in reply to 199844.51
Date: 11/2/2011 5:37:57 PM
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And does anyone here believe in other tactics besides rng and li?

neutral? ptb? bo?

Do you believe in slow pace tactics a la jason running motion in nt?


Yes I believe in other tactics depending on our players as well as the defense we expect our opponent to run. Some offenses I may look into running are motion, PtB, LP.

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