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I now have a better understanding of how it is to train a SF ; it is very difficult if not impossible to train more than one at a time due to training switches.

At least when I trained dedicated insiders or outsiders I managed to occupy 2 slots with my trained players, with my SF in training I can't even field him at his best spot due to training issues, that's exhausting.

I can agree with you! training good SF is almost impossible if you want to take part in competition (and certainely if you want to train more than one). Training some NT guy (and certainely when it comes to take him to NT-level) takes about 8 to 9 seasons training and in extra lot of this training is out of position training.

Therefore imo lower ranked teams and the Utopia teams could do nice work. If these teams could do the first training, and... at a certain level put their trainees on the market to provide them to the higher ranked team, which on their turn could do the last ups or fine-tuning of these players . Imo it would be some win-win situation. Not only for the BBBL teams, but also for the lower teams which would eb able to gain experience in training, better players (better ranking), money to acquire better trainers and so on... (such co-operation between BBBL, lower ranked and Utopia teams is a nice big dream for me :p)
And... if we could concentrate on belgian players, certainely a win operation for our NT/U21.

I'm actually in a stadium with my Utopian team where I'll have to sell next season some nice trained guy (I won't be able to affort their salary in the D.IV where I'm in) and with this money I'll acquire myself a better trainer, which will allow me to train even better my belgian youngsters. It's only a pity I can't buy these trained guys with my belgian team (as they woud do a great job in my team)

That's right, I might sign up for an Utopia team some day but I am a bit reluctant to start from scratch. I can remember how awful it was to be unable to afford a trainer, a trainee, although there are also some positive things, such as not caring about results and therefore having an easy time fielding all the trainees.

Not to mention that the main problem is the lack of quality (belgian) players on the market. There are as many youngsters as you want the week after the draft, but not all teams (especially the best ranked, those who can afford a good trainer) can start from scratch : they're looking for semi-trained players and those are seriously lacking on the transfer list. Or their quality / price is not satisfying.

I can remember how awful it was to be unable to afford a trainer, a trainee,

not that awfull as you can start with a level 4 trainer, buy yourself at the start of the season with the draft some trainees (there are really some nice youngsters for 1k on the TL (even able to reach U21)). And once able to get you some trainer level 5, you're started....

although there are also some positive things, such as not caring about results and therefore having an easy time fielding all the trainees.

really correct. The must negative one here is that at a certain moment salaries for the high potentials are becoming to high to affort them in D.IV. So keep in mind to start at time with those secondary skills! If you find some manager willing to train and complete his training, I'm sure he will be gratefull you've trained this difficult out position side-skills

they're looking for semi-trained players and those are seriously lacking on the transfer list

This is correct but imo understandable. I had in the past very frustating experiences in releasing semi-trained players on the market. Very recently I released some U21 worth (almost certain to reach it if trained as it should have been, but not fittin any more in my training plan for the higher potentials) but he's not trained anymore. So I'm very on my hold when putting such nice players on the market and prefer them to be trained as far as possible (certainely when it comes to NT-worth youngsters). However, when I would know for certain they would be trained well, I would not hesitate to transfer them to a new trainer/manager

But:
We don't have a place where we can announce such probable transfers; only when the player is on the market, we can put him on the TL forum... and it has to be read in time by eventually interested managers. Utopia teams can easily keep trainees some extra weeks in their team until it fits the eventually buyer, but they need to be aware of these wishes.
We're in extra not sure the interested manager will in fact be able to acquire the nice player: the marketplace is free for every manager, even for those who never will train the players to their full potential.

and Dartreb, if you decide to start with some Utopia-team, please inform me about your trainees... I could also be interested ;-)


Last edited by AnGi77 at 11/19/2017 9:10:10 AM

Your killer-player ? Why (except money) ? Galvanauskas (en Chen) is the second player I entirely train and I can't even imagine to sell him before his 33... It took so long to train him and you won't enjoy his greatness ? It's something i hardly understand

this is where you misunderstand me. I take pleasure in training great players. Examples: Marichal, to a certain extend, Fleeton, Leroy, ... i find it amusing to train them and see them improve. Once they are finished, not so much. I've had the pleasure of using Ottevaere who i trained from scratch and who i had the entire time. I enjoyed training him. but once he was finished, he was just another player. nothing special.

So yes, i'm considering it. And i already have suitors who are asking me when he'll be up (which makes my process easier). So the decision to make is wheither to sell him near 32-33y old and get a smaller price for him. Or wheither to sell him when he just hit his prime and get a significant extra cash because you'll be getting an SF who needs no training for several seasons.

I've trained Stockx & Verschaeren from scratch and I've build a team around them to be competitive when they were ready. They are both in NT.

But it's true that it would have been impossible with SF build...

When you started training them you weren't in BBBL obviously. There's no way you can afford to stick in the division having to field 2 x 48 min. on youngsters : it's an auto-loss at least in one championship every week !

I respect the very little time you needed to work your way to the world top of course, but remember that playing in a lower division is actually a huge bonus when it comes to reliability with training.

@Angi : yeah they buffed up the new teams a little didn't they ? That's a good thing, if there are any new starters they do deserve to get a better start, since the number of active players has been reduced.

However I don't stand with you when you say that high potential are too expensive : of course if you want a 18-yos starting with 55 TSP and HoF / legend that's gonna cost an arm or a kidney, but e.g. Gaethofs is on it's way to 140 TSP while he only started with 41, and that sort of players can leave for pretty cheap.

Right now there is a belgian 18-yos MVP on the TL, he left his draft team for less than 20 k ... And if ever money is really a problem, you can still do wonders with a potential 8. Just don't mafe a PF of him or you'll fall short :p

When you started training them you weren't in BBBL obviously. There's no way you can afford to stick in the division having to field 2 x 48 min. on youngsters : it's an auto-loss at least in one championship every week !

Surely, like Amenra is now in D.II to train his young player. But I don't think it's necessary a bad strategy.

However I don't stand with you when you say that high potential are too expensive : of course if you want a 18-yos starting with 55 TSP and HoF / legend that's gonna cost an arm or a kidney, but e.g. Gaethofs is on it's way to 140 TSP while he only started with 41, and that sort of players can leave for pretty cheap.

I agree with you here...
and I do not know where I've said the contrary. if you're refering to 'The must negative one here is that at a certain moment salaries for the high potentials are becoming to high to affort them in D.IV.' I ment folowing:
When you train a youngster, he will reach at a certain moment in his training levels 15 and more; further training them will increase his wage to a level you would not be able to affort in those D.IV. I referred to this situation if trained in an Utopia division 4.
i've probably expressed me in a wrong way....

and I know

Right now there is a belgian 18-yos MVP on the TL, he left his draft team for less than 20 k ...

he was mine, I put him on the TL as there was no training spot in my team and sold him for 18k; He was not trained and Is now for sale for $ 249 899. Shame!

Last edited by AnGi77 at 11/19/2017 3:30:17 PM