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You're ignoring 2 random factors which can lead to price fluctuation: random mechanics(injuries and skill downs on older players), and the human factor(caffeine fueled bidding wars). Those factors won't make say, a $5k salary player go for more than a $10k salary player, but they can definitely make a player go for more than other players with the same salary usually go for, if there happen to be 2 playoff teams with injuries and cash to spare. Not to mention if one person takes the time to figure out the peak hours for activity, they can get better prices than someone who just logs in and posts their players when they get the chance, which might not be the same time everyone else gets the chance to place their bids.

Last edited by Kobe Beef at 1/29/2010 8:54:47 PM

I think you are not realy gettnig the point.

All you say is true. But all GMs also know this.

a playervalue therefor is not a set figure, but a range. Just take it from me we KNOW when a player is sold for a price that is outside that range.

Most of the times this is due to cheating activity. BUT this isn't always the case. (for example if a player decided to quit and just wanted to make 1 team happy by donating all his money to it, it is very possible the selling team wasn't aware, and didn't even want it). It's these last cases I am referring about. By not reporting this, you will make yourself suspicious, and what's more, to be able to separate good from bad we even made the rule that everyone is obligated to report it.

So once again: if you are reasonably thinking the lpayr is realy worth what you got for him, you will most likely not get into trouble.
But if you think: hey let's ask double of what I expect I can get from him and hope some fool bids and buys him, you are riding a wrong track.

I think by now everyone who read this all will get a prety good picture of what they are supposed to do. Arguing about it and trying to point out to us that in some cases this and in some cases that will not help. It's the way the system works, and it's the way the system is going to keep working. If we alow these exceptional situation to be used as explanation of high prices, we are only helping cheaters getting away with their acts.
If a honest user accidentally gets into such a situation he has the possiblity to report it so we can investigate the case to verify if indeed he is innocent.
It's realy not difficult. I'd even expect all honest users to happy about this as it helps them to play in a game that doesn't reward cheating and encourages everyone to play fair and test their strenghts in the games.





Last edited by Lord of Doom at 1/30/2010 7:18:30 AM

Who the hell one balled you? I gave you 5 balls for the post to even it out. Prolly some fined cheater was angry at GM-s :D

Im just asking for 1 thing-Transfer Price Estimate: There have been 9 recent transfers of 25-26 year old centers with prodigious rebounding and allstar potential. Of these, the ones with skills most similar has sold for.... lets say 1 mill-2mil.

My question is, if the player(whos C or PF) has prodigious passing aswell and people decide to pay 5,5mill for him, is this a cheating? The owner whos selling him maybe worked hard to get hes passing so high, lost several matches because this guy played in PG position instead of C and now he has to pay the penalty because he gets rewarded for hes hard work?

Sry if this is asked before, i just figured this question out lol....

It does not raise the price to 5,5 mil, so it's still cheating. You would be better off training C skills if you want to make money. If you create a player for your own team, go ahead train passing, but you will not get much more for them on the TL.

I would disagree, in that if a person were to create a totally unique player that is rarely/never seen on the TL (such as a center with good big man skills and also incredible passing skills), the TL estimator is not going to be able to do a good job of estimating his true value, because so few of those players have ever been sold. Who is to say what the 'real' value of such a player should be? That is why the TL is an auction and value is not just based on player salary or something; if people want to pay more for a certain combination of skills that is not cheating, it is just paying a premium for a rare/unique player.

It's another one of those "IF" situations. Having 7 passing vs 10 passing on a C does not raise the price 3 mil. Believe me. The price range is given for a bunch of players having different secondary skills. Some of them sell on the upper limit of the transfer estimate, others sell near the lower limit. None of them are worth twise the max estimate.

Last edited by Kukoc at 1/30/2010 7:21:47 PM

I guess the thing that worries me is that it's sort of a catch all. Catching cheaters is good, but what if like in my desperate team scenario, or the previous poster's unique player scenario, a player sells outside the usual range by like 25-50%? You report it, it's clean so you don't get in trouble, but you still get the adjustment because the price isn't in the range?

It's another one of those "IF" situations. Having 7 passing vs 10 passing on a C does not raise the price 3 mil. Believe me. The price range is given for a bunch of players having different secondary skills. Some of them sell on the upper limit of the transfer estimate, others sell near the lower limit. None of them are worth twise the max estimate.

Having 10 passing on a Center does raise the price substantially - if he has handling too (which you would assume at least 5-6 based on the passing training then if the rest of the skills fit a 4mil triple tremendous IS/ID/RB guy with a bit more upside due to potential could quite easily fetch 6-6.5mil and if you are interested and a direct rival of yours is bidding then this is another reason why it would not be uncommon to see players going above TPE's.... if you are entering the playoffs and banking on signing a guy and your closest rival appears on the current winning bid, do you even consider the TPE or how much over you are prepared to pay?

You are going to that, if this, if that. You want to tell me that you are 24/7 online and scout every player on the market to catch your rival bidding. Perhaps he bids in that 3 min range and wins quite fast. Sometimes there are bidwars but they never go to 5mil on a 2 mil max ranged player. The triple tremendous guy does not sell for 2 mil. Those guys come on the market with no suggested price range, as those players are seldom on the market.
Training 3 passing will not net you more money. Training IS/RB/ID instead of passing "might" get you into a different pricerange.