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Each one takes care of his team. But, following your way of thought, if you are elected, will you only select SF, because they are complete? I'll tell you de diference between a balanced player and a mono-skill

Center example

Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: inept
Driving: atrocious Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: prolific ↑ Inside Def.: prolific
Rebounding: prolific Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: respectable

Experience: pitiful

By the way, this is my center. It only needs a litle bit more of driving to be a really well balanced center



A monoskill would be like this

Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: inept
Driving: atrocious Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: prolific Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: common Shot Blocking: inept
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: respectable

Experience: pitiful

Do you still think you need players with sensacional in all skills?

There are so many variables in that. There's an old saying which goes well: You can please some people all of the time, all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Saying to someone to train a SG inside shot when they usually play Run and Gun will take some pursuading, are you willing to do this? It's all well and good in having a 'plan' but I doubt you'll follow through with it.

You want an answer for this?

Last edited by Fenómeno at 9/9/2009 9:50:27 AM

i am not going to continue having a debate with you guys, you keep treating me and reading my messages and asking questions as I would be a total morron...

it is your problem when you want to read only black or white into what I am saying and refuse to see the whole over all picture off what I am trying to say... Perhaps the english voters dont understand my views either and than I am sure you will guys be the new U21 coaches.

If the english community wants to ask me any further questions please feel free to do so.

Lets wait and see who the english community will see fit off becoming the new U21 coach...

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/9/2009 10:50:21 AM

Ok I will give the community an example of what I mean, it will give the community an idea as to how I rate players skills and how I see the importance off certain skill sets and obviously what kind off players I would select for the U21 team.

My ideal PF would look something like this... And please Fenomeno or friends, dont make stupid comments and ask me whether I expect to have players like this available to me for the U21 team... I am not as stupid as you are trying to make me look. If you use your common sense you will do understand what I am trying to say, and no I dont expect you to agree. That is why I said I love this game so much, there are so many different ways to train players... Im not only taking into account the skills, but also the salary for the players in question...

In 2 cases the players have used the same amount off training points. and I am trying to give an example how I compare salary and yes i do understand that the players would have different time frames to be trained.

Player A trained in the style I would train and that I am trying to train my players as...
Salary $56247...

Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: strong Handling: proficient
Driving: proficient Passing: strong
Inside Shot: tremendous Inside Def.: tremendous
Rebounding: tremendous Shot Blocking: mediocre

Player B trained in a style that I see a lot happening, notice how he has the same salaries, but is alot less balanced and alot less skill points?
Salary $77467

Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: inept Handling: inept
Driving: inept Passing: inept
Inside Shot: wondrous Inside Def.: wondrous
Rebounding: wondrous Shot Blocking: mediocre

Player C another style I see coaches train their players alot, train there main skills to the absolute max, same as B really but with the same amount off skill points as player A.
Salary $158941

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: prodigious Inside Def.: prodigious
Rebounding: prodigious Shot Blocking: mediocre

I dont know what it is like in the Portugese or other top leagues, but I doubt in the english one, teams can afford 5 players like player C in the squad, that is why I am going for the long term approach, and only time will tell whether my decision was correct or not.

Ps that is the same way as I would suggest english coaches to train their players too and therefore this would be a long term project off 4 years and not 2... It is up to the english community whether they agree with this vision or not...



Last edited by Astragoth at 9/9/2009 11:51:42 AM

there was an error in my example that i fixed, however the over all picture as to what I am saying should still be clear for the people that really want to understand it...

This is why you joined the team of coach her duties do not know how to do it? :)

You were saying that you can't afford 5 players like C, but as you know, centers are a lot more expensives than the rest of the poisitions.

I understand what you are saying and I agree in 1 point. Player A is less expensive. For a team, it's better to train the player like that, but there's one thing missing. Imagine player A vs Player C. If player A's team plays in motion,he will have advantage vs player C because he will bring him outside, making use of his JS vs player C's low OD. But if Player C goes look inside, he will own player A because he has a lot of advantage playing inside.

Maybe you are right saying that is better to have a player A but while there are players like C, you will need an Inside Defence to match those monsters. So it will be difficult to the BB world to change this.

PS: That player would give a great PF


But let's stop this discussion. I have another question for you. How will you manage your enthusiasm?

i am sorry... there are so many open questions not being answer yet by your team, and you keep asking me questions that I believe are irrelevant to wheter I can do this job or not...

All I want to say, without giving to much away to future U21 opponents, in case I do get the job is that it all depends on the opponents in your group on how to manage enthusiasm...

This is why you joined the team of coach her duties do not know how to do it? :)

I'll answer for him so this is for everyone.

Yesterday you were saying that it's almost impossible to convince a player to train someone. Now you want us to convince them to train out of their position?

You are trying to give a step bigger than your leg.

And there is another thing. A NT can't depend on only one tactic. And our job is to the the best with the players we have.

Yesterday you were saying that it's almost impossible to convince a player to train someone. Now you want us to convince them to train out of their position?

i am sure this is aimed at me. can you please quote me where I said it is almost impossible to convince a coach to train a player?

Last edited by Astragoth at 9/9/2009 2:15:00 PM

It was not you. I'm not sure but I think it was


by elboss (England NT Coach)

In my opinion scouting is not the big issue here. I did pretty extensive scouting last season (note that you really have to do this once a season). It's all pretty automated and in the "Real english federation" there is a list of the players worth looking at.

The problem is that it's difficult (impossible?) to get potential stars trained to fulfill their potential. I found it impossible to get the right players in places where they'd get trained properly. Apart from some remarkable few players, that is why our NT efforts are lagging...

Obviously whoever gets elected will get the list of potentials, best draftees for this season, etc. etc. So the partial knowledge of the player pool the candidates have now is not all that relevant...