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From: myToast

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203621.67 in reply to 203621.66
Date: 12/2/2011 7:06:25 PM
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it take how many round u get into the cup and the score difference of the last game played

From: Kukoc

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203621.68 in reply to 203621.66
Date: 12/3/2011 6:35:21 AM
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The round you go out in. Malaysian cup has less rounds all together, so actually you have done good in the cup for the last 3-4 seasons. Are you saying you remember exactly what your fansurvey was in season 16? I find it highly doubtable.
Obviously fan survey depends on PR-Manager level aswell.

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203621.70 in reply to 203621.11
Date: 12/4/2011 4:50:59 AM
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Did you really just post that.....
I know PL games are played in arcade mode....come on....a bit slow are we?
But..we weren't talking about injuries and minutes. We are talking about the attendance code written into the game.
Attendance at any HOMEGAME is effected by prices, PR staff, Winning and losing. EVEN PL games.
PL game against a Div.3 team.....(88619)
PL game against a Div.1 team.....(36144411)
so why such a bid difference if the tickets are FREE as you say.......I can tell you...The attendance code is still calculating on what the attendance should be when all the things that effect attendance are taken into account. The only difference is that there is no money for the Home team.
Lazy I'm not....Not too bright...you are!!!

Probably not my businesses, but rude you are, aren't you? The guy did make a poor choice of words in his explanation - I'm talking about "free admission" part - but you completely missed his point which was that PL games are different than regular league games, and therefore it makes no sense to compare the two. But even if he was not right about that either, he surely didn't deserve all that rage that came from you afterwards ("a bit slow are we?"; "Not too bright... you are!!!"). Again, not that it is my business, but I think you owe him an apology.

From: Mr. Hyde

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203621.71 in reply to 203621.18
Date: 12/4/2011 4:56:40 AM
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Well I looked at your situation. As we all know, winning away has a BIG impact on your next home game income. We can clear that PL fuzz right away. We all know that PL get's played in arcade mode. That also means no entu is put into it. One special thing to notice is: when winning by walkover in PL, the minute distribution does not equal to normal league/cup game. So they are somewhat different systems. What comes to the PL attendance, you conveniently "forgot" to mention those 2 games were semifinal and final of that PL. Obviously those attendances should be higher than your "normal".
Looking at your schedule and arena attendance it was normally a bit below 17k. You lost in the cup (in the 1-st round), it does not matter to who you lose, it matters when you lose. The yearly runner up was pushed out of the cup early. You compensated this by keeping your league record clean. You even managed to win your televised game against your rival. The fans were thinking is this really the year Kitakyushu is going for the championship. With some luck in the fan survey (we all know it's a bit random there aswell) you managed to produce unbelievable +2000 crowd on your next home game. When you visited Sharman, you were brought back down to earth. This produced (with perhaps some unluck) a bad enough fan survey + the effects of falling out of the cup early were evident + your next opponent home was a lousy team. Obviously you took a hit, that was suitable to your current situation.
Perhaps this loss, made your fans realise again, that your team is a yearly semifinal team (yet again) with no cup success this year.
NB! There was also a price change date before the last match. Perhaps you meddled with the prices or did not notice you had changed them before and are keeping this info from us aswell. Once again: with away loss comes a huge drop in bleacher attendance and a loss in lower tier seat attendance.
NB!2 Winners don't whine...

Finally... A voice of reason :-)

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203621.72 in reply to 203621.30
Date: 12/4/2011 5:21:06 AM
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Current attendance system is not perfect, but it denies top teams the luxury to lose a game here or there and still get away with it, so they have to give their best more often than they would like.

I usually agree with you, but this time I must disagree.
Just look at this guy's attendance http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/22777/arena.aspx, and then look at his current record as well as his records in the past two seasons. What do you think? Still think that there is nothing wrong with the way attendance is calculated? That "top teams have to give their best more often than not"?
If there were any logic in this game, this guy - with the way his team is run right now - shouldn't have more than 10 fans per game, and even that is too much.
I understand your motivation, but there is a lot of things here - not just the attendance formula - that are not working as they should.

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By the way, does anyone care to explain how the guy from my example above manages to have such a high attendance?

Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 12/4/2011 5:38:17 AM

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203621.73 in reply to 203621.72
Date: 12/4/2011 6:09:37 AM
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His attendance is so high, because he's in D.II charging D.IV prices. The lower the prices the less fluxuation you have.

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203621.74 in reply to 203621.73
Date: 12/4/2011 7:08:32 AM
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So, in other words, what you're saying here is that an imaginary item, which once used to cost a lot of money, but nowadays has close to no practical use (e.g. Dial-up internet connection) will continue to sell, and sell good, mind you, as long as it is offered to people at affordable price?
I'm just kidding :-) but you do understand my point(?) you don't get that kind of attendance, week after week after week, just because entrance is offered to you at discounted price - bad product is a bad product. It has always been that way and it will always be.
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I appreciate your input, of course, but taking that guy's win-lose record, he should never ever sell out his 20K arena, his prices being discounted or not, is what my point is, I guess.

Last edited by Mr. Hyde at 12/4/2011 7:16:37 AM

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203621.75 in reply to 203621.74
Date: 12/4/2011 12:08:11 PM
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Why does how man seats he sells matter. What should matter is gate revenue. going into the game he was 3-5, you were 2-6. He's gate revenue was 291K, your last home game was 283k. He made 8k more then you. But if you had had more bleachers and lower tier, its quite possible you could have grossed more.

Are we going to talk actual attendance or gate revenue, the two are not the same.

Edit - he didn't sell out all of his bleachers or lower level, you on the other hand did, at more expensive prices. Yet going in, he had 1 more game, and his most recent league game. 8k more isn't astronomical.

additional edit - I know that more people care about professional teams, then they do collegiate teams, then minor league teams, then high school teams, then peewee games. My point is given the choice, more people would spend less to see better competition.

Last edited by WFUnDina at 12/4/2011 12:14:02 PM

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203621.76 in reply to 203621.74
Date: 12/4/2011 12:24:13 PM
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So I guess when the Sixers and Wizzards are having bad seasons, and they put the upper deck up at 10$ (yes they do it, I know cause the email the crap out of me) . They don't sell more tickets? They still have to sell twice as many to make the same revenue, though. Just like here.

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203621.77 in reply to 203621.74
Date: 12/4/2011 1:08:28 PM
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just because entrance is offered to you at discounted price - bad product is a bad product


Haha, sorry, had a laugh here... O know this game and real world doesn't correlate well, but your sentence can bring the two "worlds" together. How many bad products (cars, clothes, food, you name it) sell because they are cheap? A LOT. So reality applies really well here ;)

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