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Fact:There are more high quality (compared to what every other team has) players on the market, D.I teams don't need to fight over them as tooth and nail as they used to since there are enough for you all to be civil, marginally outbid each other and move on to the next one rather than get in a true bidding war as was the case in the past.

That hasn't happened.

There are still bidding wars taking place constantly amongst the top teams, and further down the pyramid as well.

Fact:Top young talent is getting bought up by all the top teams.

Fact:Training speed for young talent is being increased soon

Teams can only train a finite amount of players.

Sure, I could buy 20 18 y/o studs, but I can't train them all. With a consistent release of players (and with a big release coming soon), there will be players to go around.


The BBs have stated that their intention is to get definition between the divisions. One of HT's fundamental flaws is that there's no real tangible benefit to promoting up the ladder. Here there is. Once a team promotes, they'll have their economy impacted in a positive way.

If you expect to promote to a new division and automatically compete for a title, it's just not realistic. It doesn't happen in real life in all but the most extreme cases, and shouldn't happen here a majority of the time.

The BBs have an economist on staff to help maintain a healthy, burgeoning economy, and quite frankly, I put more stock in his opinions on this subject than you, me, or pretty much anyone else.

These changes don't really affect me as much as you want to intimate.

I was ahead of the curve when it came to Arena expansions, and that's what has really paid off for me, not any of the changes to the economy.

I'll probably be buying one trainee in the coming days (or weeks), but not because of the changes...I have a Colombian I'm going to offload in favor of an American. As the USA NT manager, it's hypocritical for me to be putting out the message that we need to train our Americans up for the glory of the NT while training a Colombian.


I believe these changes will be good for the long-term health of the economy, and that's why I support them.

It has nothing to do with my team, and any implication that it is is completely wrong.

I don't think you understand and the only way you would is if you were in Div IV right now. You have ben playing for 2-3 months and see a modest level of sucess. My friend is not disagreeing with you nor the changes that are going to take place. As a matter of fact, neither am i. We are just saying, this should not be an overnight thing. I am not alone in that fact.

You are right, I should not be able to walk in from my division IV league and lead a div III league. But, with the TL's, selling my draft picks and the lack of teams in my division that I just moved up into, then yes my rise should be faster. In time with a more mature game, those things don't happen so let the game mature naturally.

Please review your comment throughout this thread. I think you will find instead of faciliating, there was a lot of personal elements applied. It's ok, because we are all human, and we should not be hard on you. But you are a GM, you are in the NBBA, and you do make a ton more cash because of it. The changes don't necessarily have to do anything for you, but no matter what they do.

The edits and comments you choose say something about the ones you dont..

..anyway, the distance between top and bottom are growing more rapidly and it will become a greater handicap to have been born in the bottom than before.

I don't get it...

So what if there's a disadvantage to new teams? There should be! They're brand new!

I love that BB doesn't hand everything to new teams on a silver platter like Hattrick did - that's why I left the game. Everyone in this thread is doing a lot of complaining, but no one is figuring out a solution or a way around it, it's all "woe is me."

If BB makes the playing field level for all teams, there will be no drive to advance or satisfaction upon doing so. I don't know about the rest of you, but I relish the challenge of advancing through the ranks with a (slight or substantial) disadvantage because I have enough faith in myself as a manager that I'll be successful. If you don't, maybe you should go play Hattrick instead.

Seriously... we are not saying there shouldn't be a disadvantage to the new teams. I'm not gonna explain again what we are actually discussing. All of the post we've made should sum it all up. And we are not complaining, at least I'm not.

I'd appreciate if you didn't explain it again - I had to wade through enough of your illogical posts in the beginning to get to some people who were making sense.

Then give me a proper counter argument why it's illogical. You can't just say it's illogical without backing it up.

You've been given many very eloquent and well-explained counter arguments from the BBs, so I'm pasting below the ones I believe most debunk your arguments.

These current steps are intended to bring the economy into a state of equilibrium and lower the prices for the quite frankly awful players on the transfer market. We all have awful teams, so the quality of what you can buy isn't up too much notches - when the really decent players start coming through, the current prices will be seen for what they are - vastly exaggerated.

We think the model we have is a better long term solution than in other games, but
for it to function properly, it also needs to have a certain level of maturity in many respects - which is something that is currently not the case. If the situation is left to continue then the gap between the levels will just increase as the top teams have more resources to outbid anyone and everyone. As players on the market are much the same at the moment, the net effect is that poorer teams can only afford players that are pretty awful and not much better ( if at all ) than those they have, and the richer teams will buy anything that's trainable or less crappy than the absolute minimum offers on the market.

Recycling the better players gives the teams with more money something to spend their mountains of cash on and leaves the rest of the average players for the poorer teams to actually be able to afford.

These measures are designed to give new and poorer teams more of a chance in the game, helping them to be able to afford things that they currently can't. Additionally closing the gap between the league levels that is currently growing.[/

After this well-thought out post from Oxidus, you responding that the problems "weren't happening yet, but that they might happen," which is a good back of a step back from your original post, not to mention the thread title. You didn't really address any of these points, other than to say "it could happen," which doesn't hold much logic either.

Oxidus went to say (the part I really like is in bold):

With the recycling system, the money spent by the rich teams on recycled players has left the system. It's gone, never to be seen again. The rich team has something of value but that's as far as it goes. That asset also has a higher maintenance cost in terms of wages. It also means that the rich team isn't driving the price of the lower quality players on the market, as their focus is now on the better assets. The newer and poorer teams have the power to set the prices on the lower quality players which the bigger teams are selling, ultimately causing them to fall to a level that isn't as ridiculously high as it currently is.

I think this is the best case that's been made so far why this system is a great thing for the game, not to mention the numerous other posts from the BBs that say they are keeping a very close eye on things, AND the fact that they have consulted economic experts in this matter.

I'm no economic expert, and I'm assuming you aren't either, so I'm inclined to trust someone's judgement when they know more than me about a topic, and I think you should too.

I know how it gets when you are defending a side, sometimes you end up just arguing for the sake of arguing and not seeing the other person's side, but I think if you really take a few minutes to read the above posts, you'll have a lot less dislike for the system than you currently do.

Edited by nickfox45 (11/28/2007 8:29:57 PM CET)

Last edited by nickfox45 at 11/28/2007 8:29:57 PM