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From: GM-hrudey

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Date: 9/18/2012 9:43:12 AM
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Thai was good enough to stomp us by 14 point lead by the start of the 2nd.
Thai was subbing, so that SHOULD mean they get better fresh guys.
We got better and better and better without ever subbing.
Our stamina on our players is not that spectacular that all 5 guys can play 48 without breaking a sweat.
I've never seen this before.

So maybe something bugged.


If first quarter performance was an absolute indicator of how players performed the remainder of the game, you'd have more of a point. I just came off a game where I had a double digit lead in the first and was outscored 31-9 in the third. I've had games against teams that were essentially tanking where they managed to put up a strong first quarter before getting blown out the rest of the game. I don't know what causes the phenomenon but it's far from uncommon to see a team that is eventually going to lose perform much better than they should have early on in the game.

From: BB-Marin

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Date: 9/19/2012 9:09:22 AM
TrenseRI
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On a personal note, I resent your tone and especially the sarcasm. It does not belong in this forum and such posts will be deleted in the future.

Now that we got that out of the way, we can focus on the issue at hand. You're still ignoring the fact that the subs were not set and pushing your stamina theory. Let's look at the facts:
- no backups or reserves set (players available on the roster)
- Japan put more effort into the game
- Japan used "let coach decide", which, well, let's your coach decide
- the game never entered the "blowout" mode due to scores being relatively close the whole game

When you factor in all these things, it's really not that unusual to get the kind of subbing that actually happened.

From: BB-Marin

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Date: 9/20/2012 8:04:58 AM
TrenseRI
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Ok, I'll bite. I'm not angry at you for reporting a hard-to-find issue, it's the way your doing it that bothers me. Even now, you're writing long essays when I specifically stated that bug reports need to be concise!
And now, you're talking about a whole new issue here. An supposed issue which I knew nothing about until now, I'm afraid. While the game engine has not had any changes in a long time, we're working on changing that. First of all, I need hard data to support this theory that blank lineups perform better. Determining that would be a first step towards some changes. I'm sure you understand that we cannot make changes based just on your feeling.

From: Phoenix

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Date: 9/20/2012 12:00:33 PM
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I think that when Marin said "hard data", he was thinking about a list of games for a given player where a performed better in blank lineup than in a normal one.

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From: Phoenix

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Date: 9/21/2012 2:18:37 AM
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What makes you think that so much B3 teams are using a blank lineup?

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