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Really? A forum thread from 2009. Please show me something from elite teams from after 2012 and I will agree with you. Come on FOTO, you have been around for a long time.....Are you on here trying to defend BB from when they changed the GE way back when. It is common knowledge that they messed up the GE in season 12, even Mark and Charles admitted to it in game chat. But you GMs come on here talking about it isn't BB it is how players are trained, and then it was tweak the salaries which they are doing again next season. Just be for real for once. You spend more time trying to convince the last 19,000 users that everything is OK, instead of being critical of the game I think you like. You think you are helping but all you are doing is hindering the progression of the game.

Well, in fact is 2010
I'm not giving my opinion nor saying all is ok and perfect. If it were, no one would be for a change, and as you can see the willing is indeed to make some changes.

On the other hand, the post intention is to show you that the outside tactics were dominant in the past and the post I linked is just an example. In those times the forums were as full of users asking to stop that dominance as it is now claiming against LI.
I don't know what happened in Japan, but I can tell you that in Spain till season 15 Run&Gun had no rival.

But that's not the main point, the main point is if the current situation of the game today needs any action or not, and we consider that the answer to that question is yes.

You have showed me one game where an inside tactic won an outside one, I can show you one just the opposite, so what? Besides, you put as example a NT game, where salaries were not a problem to build a team, whereas it was a very big one to build a normal team. Why don't you check Serie A in Italy and see what the winners were playing those seasons? Maybe you will be surprised.

I don't want to take anyone's side, but I have a hunch that the fellow managers from Japan and Italy are correct.

Let's examine some facts.

B3 winners and NT World Title winners' choice of tactics
S5 B3: LI (6045735)
S6 B3: LI (8111249)
S7 B3: R&G (10336343)
S8 B3: LI (12721499)
S9 B3: PTB (15137569)
S10 B3: PTB (17565508)
S11 B3: Motion (20025810)
S12 B3: LI (22600514)

S4 Worlds: Motion (1457)
S6 Worlds: LI (3101)
S8 Worlds: LI (5988)
S10 Worlds: LI (8339)
S12 Worlds: LI (10849)

So out of 13 times the winning team used LI 8 times, outside tactics 3 times and PTB (with the PTB C topping the scoring in the game) twice. I assume it's more balanced than it's been after the change as 62% is less than 90%+, but it looks really hard to make the case that outside tactics and R&G in particular were dominant.





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Some NBBA ratings from the more recent games you linked (to prove people used outside tactics) are not exactly telling though. You wouldn't have made the finals in other nations with those ratings.

Besides if you read again Brambauti's point, he claimed that LI and inside tactics were never broken, they were more expensive to build back then. However at the very top level where these constraints are looser, you can see that outside tactics did not dominate the scene and you could perhaps make the opposite case. You can argue that the LI dominance has also been caused by the way salary is determined, with IS free on guards, but that is only part of theproblem. If outside tactics were good enough to win, although with a higher price tag, someone would have succeeded that way at least for a stretch.

Where do we go from here? IS on guards is going to cost something, but that only means that LI becomes a little more expensive, not less effective. I don't know what the imbalance was at the beginning of the game, but the current imbalance is caused by inconsistencies in the GE and unusable or indistinguishable tactics. At this point I'm unsure whether just lowering the impact of OD would result in more balance.

I think the only way to do this without redoing the GE altogether is to both lower the impact of OD to some extent (which presumably also will naturally increase the number of mid-range jumpers and 3 pointers for all tactics) and revise some key parameters for the least used tactics (e.g. bump the bonus to outside team rating for higher JR in outside tactics). Unfortunately, since I started playing this game, Marin has never been very keen to touch anything to do with the GE, so I don't think he will, but I hope I'm wrong.