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he didn't touched the ball or had any effect on the game.

It was not an offside, simple as that. Football rules.

Ignorance is a bliss. 20 years ago, like today that's offside 100%. This is the rule:
Offside position
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent

A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents

Now the rule is INTERPRETED in a way that if the referee deems the player to not participate in the action before another pass is made or the other team touches the ball, he can decide not to call it. It's left to what the referee thinks and it's based on his personal opinion. It's called passive offside.

This was NOT the case here. On that first cross the referee should have definitely called offside (it was very obvious) as Ronaldo was offside and he was definitely participating in the action as the cross was directed to him. This was not a passive offside. After he made the mistake on the first cross there is obviously no offside on the second.

I like how you don't know the rules yourself, but bash others incorrectly:
If you still can't understand I suggest you look here as it explains it for you. Offside shouldn't be called only if the player offside is very far from where the ball is passed to or maybe he's running towards his own goal without drawing attention from any defender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxNbEyrumKg

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/3/2017 8:31:02 AM

If we judge players by their playstyle, their elegance... Then Messi and CR are shit compared to Ronaldinho.

lol this is like the argument that Kobe was better than Jordan because he has a better looking jump shot. When all the rational arguments are pointing at the same result, homers resort in subjective measuring.

Barca fans saying that CR doesnt have talent like Messi because he doesnt do elegant moves... Thats why I made idiotic comparison.

But you can say whatever you want... Ronaldinho at prime > Messi at prime.
Ronaldinho was just amazing to watch. Noone can do shit like that with ball on grass (dont mix football with futsal please). And who said attacker must be GOAT? Maybe Cafu is actual goat?

PS: Kobe was shit compared to Jordan. Just look his stats. Terrible. You cant even talk about greatest player of all time when he wasnt even MVP in most finals he won... Shaq was, Shaq carried Kobe in 3 finals.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/829579-kobe-bryant-wil...


Last edited by nebi at 5/3/2017 9:09:37 AM

Your source Youtube guy.
My source FIFA.com

- "Interfering with an opponent” means:
Preventing an opponent from playing or being able to
play the ball. For example, by clearly obstructing the
goalkeeper’s line of vision or movement.

- Making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of
the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.

Then go and watch the goal again, what did he do? Nothing of that, he had no influence on the game, on the keeper or on the defender.
But no, you know batter then fifa, batter then a referee, batter then specialized people over the world who say clearly that is not an offside.

Just give me one explanation, seriously, how does he participate in the action (1st cross).
He didn't touch the defender, he didn't touch the ball, he was not obstructing anyone on the field, it should be offside just because you don't like him or?

Now I see why some other Belgian users were irked by you.

One says Morata has been Real's most efficient striker in the league, you understand (or characterise my opinion as):

Morata is a better striker

Yes, it's a waste of time to argue with people who dismiss stats (which include also goals that shouldn't have counted), ignore wins and awards, don't know what the offside rules are and who can't objectively assess a handball in the box. Seem like a bunch of homers completely devoid of common sense and knowledge of stats and rules, who prefer to go by their own alternative truths.

A handball in the box is penalised unless it's judged unintentional by the referee. Now, you either believe the ball didn't hit his arm or you do. If you do (and the downward trajectory of the ball would have been impossible if it only hit his chest or shoulder) there is nothing natural in Carvajal's movement that suggests he was not trying to stop the ball and he hit it with the hand accidentally. He was to stop the ball and he recalled the arm to do just that. In real time it looked like he was trying to stop the ball and it stopped it with the arm and from the slow-mo it also looks the same.

But yeah no point in pointing out the obvious any further.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/3/2017 10:53:16 AM

lol dude just stop embarrassing yourself.

The cross is directed at him, he's directly behind the defender who cleared the ball and most notably he even jumps for it. If that's not interfering with the action and trying to play the ball I don't know what is.

Ronaldo homers could be theoretically be correct if he didn't try to make a play for the ball (ie ignoring the action while trying to get back into a onside position), but he did.

batter then specialized people over the world

Yeah right, there is only some referees (very few) trying to justify their colleague. Their line is that Atkinson's 'opinion' was that Ronaldo didn't try to play the ball and therefore he ruled correctly he was in a passive offside position. Nobody in his right mind would think that a player in the middle of the box 5m away from the keeper and checked by 2 defenders who goes for the ball is not active on a play. Except Ronaldo homers. Even former Real Madrid players said it's offside and Atletico took the unusual step to appeal to UEFA for that goal. lol good luck with that, Atletico.

In the UK every single newspaper says it was offside and some renamed Ronaldo the 'Offside King'...man, you gotta admire the fact he only gets great nicknames...we might need to add this to his achievements

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/3/2017 11:19:57 AM

It was offside because it was Ronaldo. Isn't it clear? :D :D Ronaldo scores goals from penalties, tap-ins and offsides. Every Barca fan know it like 10 God rules. :D :D And repeat it 5 times a day with head lied town to Camp nou :D

Who cares about Barcelona, everyone knows the Liga is quite boring, because it's like the Serie A before Calciopoli, except in the Liga there are 2 teams like Juventus used to be and the defenses are fairly weak and leaky (as opposed to the italian ones where everyone was hitting hard). The equivalent of the Spanish Liga would be dropping Houston, OKC, Brooklyn and the 76ers in the D-League: imagine the averages of Harden and Westbrook and the records of their teams. The debate is not about Barcelona vs Real Madrid which are equally despicable teams, but between Messi and Ronaldo.

One thing is clear anyway: Ronaldo doesn't know the rules enough. I knew that he did this because I saw it at the time, but I finally found it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQfj9HHtkTE
Morata, his own teammate, was onside, Ronaldo (wrongly) didn't think so and gestured the linesman...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/3/2017 12:06:34 PM

he's always sure to be right

Always ready to read well nuanced arguments, with stats or examples or anything objective, to support them. You want to make a case for Ronaldo? Be my guest. However as evidenced in this thread, there is one fundamental problem with this approach if you are a Ronaldo supporter: Ronaldo is undoubtedly great, but Messi has won more both individually and team-wise.

Have you seen me debating with those who like Ronaldo more and say they would pick him ahead of Messi? Nope. You like one better, I like another better, that's ok, no problem with that. It's the people who state stuff out of their asses as if it's a divine truth, without backing it up in any way or using partial information. Edit: There is also people who use straw man arguments trying to discredit an alternative point of view...

Take you for example: did you explain how it's possible that someone changes direction and moves towards, moves his arm, hits the ball with his arm, but did so involuntarily? No, of course you didn't. Maybe you think his arm didn't hit the ball, did you explain how a shot directed to the goal hitting the chest or a shoulder of a defender can physically change direction vertically towards the ground if it didn't hit the arm? No, of course you didn't.

Oh don't worry for him, he's not embarrassing himself.

Oh I worry, I worry for everyone. He bashed someone for not knowing the rules. I posted the rules and I pointed out how it's very hard to claim that was a passive offside. Even Ronaldo knew this and actually tried to convince the referee he didn't do anything while he was offside, knowing that Atkinson might have tried to equalise the mistake in the second half.

However this is embarrassing because even if you think he was not offside, you cannot bash someone else for not knowing the rules when, if you knew the rules yourself, you'd realise that this was a completely subjective decision by the referee.

Look, we get it, you fellas can't explain how a ball travelling horizontally suddenly goes to the ground, can't explain how being between 2 defenders, moving towards the ball and jumping for it is not playing the ball. The UK press has no beef with either Ronaldo, Messi, Barcelona or Real Madrid and they all saw the episodes the same way.

All I've done in this thread is debunking the fundamentally false assertion that Ronaldo has scored more than Messi, that Ronaldo has won more than Messi, that Ronaldo scored 2 valid goals against Bayern and that Carvajal did not hit the ball with his hand voluntarily.

Also a suggestion to the guys from the balkans: if you want to use a game as proof of Ronaldo greatness, using as an example a game where he opened up the match with a goal which was controversial worldwide is probably not the best way. It's like using Maradona's hand goal to point out his greatness. It's just dumb, especially considering the second goal Maradona scored in that game or better games Ronaldo had this season without controversial goals...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/3/2017 1:36:29 PM