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I think the changes are made to help teams from strong leagues (it's not based on country, but league) keep up with juggernauts from lame small countries, and not the other way around. Because you and superfly and myself play in leagues that are crap, we have the luxury of building our arena or saving cash to buy superstars. Throw in daytrading, and a powerhouse is born. JBBL and Thai d. 1 have been reaping top league revenues while playing in d.3 caliber leagues. While I am not against this loophole, I do see the advantage it gives us, and can't fault the BBs for trying to reign it in.

I think it is a bit short-sighted to say that you had a single-tracked "long-term" strategy in a game that is only in its 9th season and one that has had major changes every season. While the game matures you should try to develop your franchise in a balanced way so that whatever changes do occur, you are able to roll with them. Putting all of your eggs in one basket wasn't a good idea 150 years ago when that phrase was invented and it still isn't a good strategy today.

What differentiates a good manager for the rest is not the ability to set a long term goal and hit it but rather the ability to adapt to changes and still hit the objective.

The term "long-term strategy" here wouldn't work in the real world anyway. You can't realistically plan for 10 years and assume everything will remain constant.

spaz,

i respect your personality and your standpoint , but its true that changes do occur. some could even be against a certian group of people to keep balance.

just like when nobody can beat schumacher using ferari cars that the league have to made changes in the rule so to have a even more competition

this can be understood, like me i work so that my team can have a balance team. aside from that my goal which i dont expect everyone to agree but my goal is to seldom sell my players i wanted them to be there as long as possible or even retire on my team.

with this i have to struggle to get enough money that my arena now could get me around 500k every home game basing it on how the rules and economics are the passes seasons.

mind you i havent even got to the point wherein i can get so much money out of it.

and suddenly it would hit me because i choose to do something that others arent doing that i get advantage over it and now those who did not pay attention that much are crying out saying there must be something that should be done.

for whatever excuse of their league being higher or whatever or you need to concentrate in getting players, i do believe the game started evenly meaning its not put in there that the parameters there are.

im not saying blame it on your ancestors that made your competition quite tighter than the others but they choose something over the other and as you say its up to you how you make it up for yourself.

i havent got any confirmation from the bb but from what i understand is, the merchandise and the attendance will take effect already while the tv contract will be be after ASW?

its natural we get reactions from changes, and changes are natural to make things better, but to make it a roller coaster ride would mean another thing.

and to voice out opinion is also one thing.



Last edited by Shoei at 6/5/2009 2:24:15 AM

Dear Shoei,

As far as our long term objective goes, I can draw many similarities between our teams. I work to have a balanced team, can barely make it past 400k much less 500k every home game and want all my players to retire in my team if possible. I also set aside a tidy sum each season for arena expansion.

While the changes do hit my team as well as yours, perhaps it is time to take a step back and look at why it has been deemed necessary to make the changes. I do not suscribe to the notion that the BBs are making changes for the sake of making changes. Is it because that the BBs have somehow chose to reward those that 'did not pay much attention' and smack us who had long term strategies across the palm? I doubt it.

The changes were made because quite frankly the arenas were getting out of control for bigger teams and younger teams really needed a lot of time and investment to get anywhere up to scratch. Switching a portion of the attendance income allows younger teams to get up to speed faster while addressing the issue of big country/small country competitiveness. Teams from the top leagues in big countries require a huge amount of cash to remain competitive while teams from smaller countries remain competitive with a much lower wage level allowing them to amass a bigger warchest (I mean bank account). The new TV income addresses this issue by adjusting the income according to the level of competitiveness in the league. Therefore, teams from big countries and smaller countries compete at a more level playing field. As compensation, teams from smaller countries will find it easier to make up for the revenue difference by packing in local NT players which will be difficult in bigger countries.

Like you, I got hit with the arena change stick. Then, I got hit with the new TV income stick because being the dominant team in my league, I pack the most superstars and most of the other teams in the league will bring down the TV income average as opposed to being in a league where everyone is of the same level as me.

However, I do understand that the changes were made for the good of the game and were required as balancing mechanisms before things spiralled out of control. When I read the news, I applauded. I love my team. But even though these changes will have a negative effect on my team, I applaud them because they are necessary for the greater good of the game.

Anyhow, if you had invested in your arena earlier, you get to sell anything you over-constructed for a tidy sum now.


** From what I understand, TV contracts will be negotiated during ASW and the rest (Merchandise and attendance) next season, which is season 10.

Who really thinks the BBs makes changes just to mess with us? I sure don´t.

I have no problem understanding the reasons for making these changes and i do think this will help the young teams.

Not so sure i understand about the big country/small country "issue" at all....

"....As compensation, teams from smaller countries will find it easier to make up for the revenue difference by packing in local NT players which will be difficult in bigger countries..."

I´m interested in your reasoning here?

It's good to hear we share positive views on the changes.

Not so sure i understand about the big country/small country "issue" at all....

"....As compensation, teams from smaller countries will find it easier to make up for the revenue difference by packing in local NT players which will be difficult in bigger countries..."

I´m interested in your reasoning here?

Allow me to post an excerpt of BB-Charles post earlier in the thread. You can backtrack for the full details.

Another compromise here comes between big and small countries. I'm sure many of you have strong feelings one way or the other about this; our goal is to keep the game fair between big and small countries, although we recognize that the game can never be identical between them. Adding a TV contract linked to the quality of the league is essential for the financial situation, but runs the risk of leaving smaller countries behind (I'm not worried about big countries that spend less, because as their spending goes up, so will their ability to maintain that budget). In return, smaller countries will be able to more easily have the best players in their nation, so that their merchandising income will help them compete.

Well, still can´t say i get how it should be easier for smaller nations to get their hands on the best players in their nation. That has not been the case so far, the only proper talents i´ve been able to get my hands on from my nation is when i managed to draft them myself.

This season, finally, i might get my hands on someone but with lower potential and skills than i´d like.

As for a properly trained player.....can´t say i´ve seen any i would consider for my team.
Maybe it´ll be easier in 2-3 season when hopefully more developed talents hit the marked. Can´t see how it should be easier than for top teams in larger nations though.

Maybe it's easier for smaller nations beacuse it's not that difficult to be in a higher divison and get it's revenues. Try to be in a second division team in Spain for example... just sayin'...

The thrust of these changes (and the reason I approve of them) is not to reward division I teams as such (which, as I emphasized, they do not necessarily do). It is rather to enforce two of the guiding principles of BB:
1) that promotion must always be a reward (it was getting to the point that a life of victories in Div. II was better long term and short term than a life of mediocrity in Div. I).
2) that there should not be farm teams.

I would like to add one other goal:
3) That it is possible to win without going the New York Yankees / Manchester United route (basically buying victories). If the game engine works, those who truly understand basketball and what is necessary to produce success will win -- and I would argue that does not always mean having the team with the greater salary level winning. I find the challenge of truly building a team, of paying as much attention to my 8th, 9th and 10th players as my starters or assembling a useful coaching staff to be one of the charms of this BuzzerBeater game. I have not yet reached the elevated levels of Div II much less Div I, but I would hope these reforms keep open the possibility of reaching that level with something other than having seven or eight players earning six figure incomes each week.

That said, I hope the new guidelines -- especially the national character of teams -- are constructed as judiciously as the rest of the game. I can understand the reality of people liking to see local / national heroes, but I do not think that in this day and age this trumps winning. Fans like to see winners. Period. My squad looks like a cross section of the United Nations, but we have won. If I get a reduced TV contract because I have a motley crew of different nationalities without a $100,000 superstar and ignores that the fact that my team has gone something like 43 - 6 over the past two seasons, then I would think that was wrong.

But let us see how the Brain Trust has worked before we reach any conclusions. I think they know what they are doing.

But let us see how the Brain Trust has worked before we reach any conclusions. I think they know what they are doing.

That's it, even though I voice my concern I TRUST the BB-team. Wow! I've never trusted anyone my whole life... hmm, does this belong in the "You're addicted to BB if..." thread? ..if you trust the BB's more than your own mother, or at least to be more fair then her.

Last edited by Svett Sleik (U21-Scout Norge) at 6/5/2009 6:41:22 PM

Yes, "you are addicted to BB..."... :)))