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PG Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd
SG Drazen Petrovic, Pete Maravich,
SF Michael Jordan, Lebron James
PF Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Tim Duncan
C Shaquille O´neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Wilt Chamberlain

Honorific Mention:

John Stockton, Oscar Robertson, Kobe Bryant, Manu Ginobili, Deniss Rodman, Charles Barkley, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Dirk Nowitski, Kareem Abdul Jabbar

Very much surprised at the love for John Stockton in this thread.

I think we're having two different discussions over the course of building the team.

Am I building a team that is designed to dominate assuming all players in their prime? Or am I building a team based on historical evidence and performance based on their play, in their era?

That is a major distinction, in my opinion. If I'm basing my team on history, you MUST give nods to players such as John Stockton, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Pete Maravich. If I'm basing my team on how the athletes would match up against each other in their prime, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that any player prior to say 1980 deserves to be even considered. Further more, I'd argue that most of the players in today's game would trump the athleticism and strength of anyone pre-1990.

Certain players -- Magic, perhaps Bird might make up for their lack of physical strength in comparison to, say Lebron using their Basketball IQ but those players would be rare. Wilt Chamberlain was a monster in his era. Shaq would have devoured him.

So I guess what I'm saying is that you need to clarify the parameters of the argument before you can begin to put together a foundation for the "NBA All-time team"

Very much surprised at the love for John Stockton in this thread.

I think we're having two different discussions over the course of building the team.

Am I building a team that is designed to dominate assuming all players in their prime? Or am I building a team based on historical evidence and performance based on their play, in their era?

That is a major distinction, in my opinion. If I'm basing my team on history, you MUST give nods to players such as John Stockton, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Pete Maravich. If I'm basing my team on how the athletes would match up against each other in their prime, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that any player prior to say 1980 deserves to be even considered. Further more, I'd argue that most of the players in today's game would trump the athleticism and strength of anyone pre-1990.

Certain players -- Magic, perhaps Bird might make up for their lack of physical strength in comparison to, say Lebron using their Basketball IQ but those players would be rare. Wilt Chamberlain was a monster in his era. Shaq would have devoured him.

So I guess what I'm saying is that you need to clarify the parameters of the argument before you can begin to put together a foundation for the "NBA All-time team"

Stockton surprises you? I'm only around 30... mayhaps you can explain the Surprise with Stockton to me more?

Hmm, this post really makes it seem as though Stockton played a long time ago... He played from 84-03. So not very long ago at all, and since nearly none of his game was athletically based I'd think he'd be fine in any era(yes he was obviously a solid athlete, he did play in the NBA).

And I think the absolute opposite of Shaq vs Wilt. Shaqs probably the strongest player ever, but Wilt was a ridiculous athlete 10.9 100, 2x Big 8 HJ champion, 49 400, 1:58 800, around 50 ft triple jump, 22ft LJ(not amazing looking now, but for mid 50's very nice). Also the fastest end to end player on the Warriors. Tried to list only fairly verifiable accomplishments, otherwise we'd have the faster than Jim Brown, as strong as Arnold rumors to go on too.

I seen them all from Russell to LeBron. If the question is best TEAM not players this may surprise you.

Top 5

Magic
MJ
LeBron
Bird
Wilt (old Wilt from Laker days)

2nd 5

Oscar
West
Nate Thurman
Elgin Baylor
Kareem

end of the bench

Hondo Havlachek
Bill Russell

Last edited by granpubah at 10/2/2012 2:14:29 PM