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Secondary to some primary to some. While I agree what you said and Korea with 4 users being where they are is to be praised! A club team game can also involve you building a drafted team in which case it's players from your nation. Or you can build a team for yourself, for your u21 and for your NT while also maximizing merchandise income with that. It still involves National team. As of this moment, for micronations managers only 1% or less of them achieve this.

Thing is how does this treat micronations different since this already happens with retired users where their players go to the Transfer List. This would be exactly the same, give users from nations with 50 teams or less the possibility to see players from their nations that rot on bot leagues in the transfer list. This would not give them the players for free nor it never would make the game unfair for bigger nations. If you define 50 active users or less, the moment the active user count surpasses the defined number then the rule for that specific micronation would be removed. It would still keep things completely fair.

Yes there are users like in Korea where they are hyper agressive on their draftees and with a great training plan. But this is an exception. Only a handful of micronation managers manage to achieve this. And even so in a dying game they only managed 45th place. It's really sad to witness 20k players in the main NT's not only in Moldova but in a lots of micronations.

As of now not only BB risks of losing more managers from the micronations but it also potentially keeps new managers whose goal is to build a team from their country away from the game.

Most of the replies I read from users from macronations is pointless whining coupled with a lack of long term vision. Not only that, when there comes any change to the game suddenly there's more than 20 users bashing and attacking the change without any insightful reason or explanation, for me that's simply spamming.

Also why do you think that you see more macronations users talking than micronations? Maybe because there are 100x more macronations active users and 1000x more macronation forum users compared to micronations, no?

It is indeed so unfair that Italy has had so far more than 30 MvP/HoF+ draftees on the transfer list plus all the trainable MvP/HoF+ draftees at their respective clubs (more than 50 I've skirmmed through almost all Italian teams from Div I to Div III) meanwhile countries like Pakistan and Moldova have had a COMBINED GRAND TOTAL OF

*tum tum tum tum*

1 MvP on the transfer list (from Pakistan, Moldova had 0 MvP+ draftees on the transfer list.)

2 COUNTRIES = 1 Drafted MvP on the Transfer List

So so unfair for the macronations I don't even know how will they be able to keep competing and build their own teams am I right? (/sarcasm)

Any more from me on this topic is also pointless talking because we're not discussing actionable measures, as always it was a pleasure talking with you perpete, may the buzzerbeater gods bless your team and your korean NT.

If you're talking about single clubs then that is plenty truthful.

But from this POV 100 clubs from III. League have much more buying power and money to spend compared to II. clubs.
Besides I've checked the management of many Moldova clubs and it's really poor management. Very few users actually manage their money well instead of pointlessly spending it. Also Micronations clubs tend to overpay a lot compared to macronations clubs for the same calibre of players.

Of course, but you're talking here on a perfectionist point of view. Which in reality never happens. Besides yeah the more money they have the more it is going to waste. I feel you're trying to poke holes in my logic just to discredit instead of actually trying to understand and help.

I'm not insisting on this talk because I'm looking at this from a NT perspective. I'm looking for a club team perspective as well. And I've spoken to many Moldovan teams, one of them was a mod of this game many seasons ago and another was -Defenders-, a BBB champion. We all reaalized these issues are what affect their game enjoyment. We've managed to attract 4 more users for Moldova which quite frankly is a miracle. That's almost 50% increase on the Moldovan userbase.
And almost none of these users have their club teams as an objective, most of them try to build Moldovan players for the future. But not only most of them are new to the game and cannot manage their teams well but they also have no knowledge of how draft and training works. And when there are no available players for these kind of managers they simply give up on the game, maybe checking once in a while, maybe completely fading away.
And this issue is very common among micronations users, macronations users have very competitive leagues whereas micronations leagues are basically devoid of any fun because the quality and experience between managers is very very big. But moving on.

Let's assume a real example. And if you check by yourself the majority of teams and leagues in BB you'll witness this as well.

Truth is only 5% of micronations users will invest well in staff, infraestructures, players and actually develop these players for the next 6/7 seasons.
But due to macronations communities it is easier for those macronation users to obtain information, so even in III. leagues you will have teams racking up to 150k per week in profits. Which then makes your point of micronations users making more money completely useless. Right?

So you can assume more than 10% of users in macronations will manage their teams near perfectly. But for the example sake let's assume 10%

10% of for example 700 users would be 70 teams managing this perfectly. Minimum of 3 players being trained for their u21/NT/Team for 6/7 seasons would be 70*3=210 players in the span of 6/7 seasons being completely fit for their NT.
For 500 users this would be 50*3=150 players.
For 150 users this would be 15*3=45 players.

For a micronation though?
For 15 users this would be 1 user doing this perfectly. 1*3 = 3 players trained for the NT after 6/7 seasons.
For 50 users this would be 2 or 3 users doing this perfectly. 3 users * 3 players = 9 players for the NT after 6/7 seasons.

Once again I ask you, do you think this is fair? Besides some rare exceptions like Malaysia and Korea that took more than 10 seasons to build and a shitload of thought and planning and consistency and effort.


Final thought and I'll repeat this again

How is it fair that even with the utopia micronation drafting we've only seen on the transfer list players from 2 micronations country (Pakistan,Moldova) ONLY 1 player with NT potential on the transfer list? Compared to a minimum of 30 for italy, polska, china, spain, etc etc.

But then again BB gotta do as macronations daddy says because otherwise there is risk of losing the users that are actually funding BB right.

Last edited by sergio at 10/9/2021 8:19:35 PM

We all sympathize/understand with you... The Game Developers also... Don't forget that the community also feel happy for all the Micronation Team when this announcement above was posted by: BB-Dr J 4/23/2021 6:50:46 AM

Welcome to the mid-way point of season 53!
We appreciate the feedback, messages, forum posts and encouragement that we have received. We love your ideas and your enthusiasm toward the future of BuzzerBeater.

We are excited to announce some changes:

1. New Utopia draftees will now have dual citizenship. Utopia players' first nationality will be randomly assigned from each of the countries in BuzzerBeater. The number of draftees from each country is random and varies season by season. Utopia draftees will also be from Utopia and have the same impact on merchandise, etc. as Utopia players previously. These players will have both flags.

2. We are increasing the number of fired players that will go to the transfer list. (We adjusted the salary and skill point requirements to have more players qualify)

We are also should be thankful that Taiwan Community gave some patterns for MicroNations to imitate too...

We could also politely Request or ask the BB Community for some tools so that you can have access to our Nations' Players List... cause we can use it to filter out the new Draftees and Message the Utopian Managers that got them and offer them something/ ask them to put the Player on the TL... Coz an Offline NTSO tool as far as I believe really do exist... or we can also just Post a suggestion for BBs for a little tweak with the Utopian Drafts for the MicroNations.

we can always open a thread for suggestions... so please do so...

I think the BB Community is generous enough and the BB Dev Team is very accomudating... Just Politely try to ask.

Last edited by Bro_Khen at 10/9/2021 8:05:21 PM