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10661.7 in reply to 10661.6
Date: 12/25/2007 9:50:42 PM
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But why?

Of course it's logic to play a 3-2 zone because that will rise your perimeter defense, but I think that isn't even needed at this point in the game.

If the opponent hit about 20-30% of their open 3FG shots there is no need to cover that even more imo. You'd better make sure you pick up all those rebounds of all those missed shots. Let them shoot and miss, not my problem if I'll pick up those rebounds.

The opponent of the topic starter made 3 out of 24 3-point shots last game, while he had mediocre(low) outside shooting vs awful(high) perimeter defense (with playing motion.) Not really needed to cover his outside shots then...

Edited by PatjeBono (12/25/2007 9:53:47 PM CET)

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 12/25/2007 9:53:47 PM

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10661.9 in reply to 10661.8
Date: 12/27/2007 5:22:11 PM
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To be fair, that IS an all-star game, and isn't representative of a normal league game.

However, it's just simply incorrect to advise someone to use a defense that weakens outside defense to defend outside shots.

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10661.11 in reply to 10661.10
Date: 12/28/2007 11:44:27 AM
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Na it won't, in a few seasons the players will be skilled enough that they will hit a lot of those outside shots, so you really need to play a 3-2 zone then, or even a 1-3-1.

But at this point in game I really think 2-3 zone is a better tactic vs a outside based offense than 3-2 zone, just because the low hit percentages of 3fg shots.
If you pick the most rebounds your opponent can only shoot once every attack, since they miss 70% of their shots, they can't make 120 points then.

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10661.12 in reply to 10661.11
Date: 12/28/2007 12:13:26 PM
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many people keep saying that at this point the skills are not good enough to shoot 3 pointers, and in a few seasons they might be.

I don't get it.

At this time the defensive skills aren't good enough either, and in a few seasons the defense is probably better, so that should level out, right?


At this time I could say just as good: NOW is the time to score 3 point shots, since now the defensie skills are still weak, in a few seasons defense will be better, so it will be too hard to shoot a 3 point shot...

I played various games using outside attack focus, and indeed many of the 3 point shots are missed, but still I won those games, and did score more 3 point shots than I do in normal or inside focus games.
I think that if defense and offensive skills improve likewise, we will keep the same % of missed 3point shots...

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10661.13 in reply to 10661.12
Date: 12/28/2007 3:17:29 PM
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Exactly.

Also, I have a real problem with someone posting that 2-3 Zone is the best defense for defending outside offense when this is in the rules:

# 2-3 Zone: Increased inside defense and rebounding at the expense of a lot of perimeter defense. Somewhat slow pace.
# 3-2 Zone: Increased perimeter defense at the expense of interior defense. Slow pace.

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Charles: Penn has some good people
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10661.14 in reply to 10661.13
Date: 12/28/2007 3:52:42 PM
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I did never state that 2-3 Zone is the best defense against an outside offense. I suggest you read my posts again and really read what I say there, instead of just quoting something out of the rules which is not really relevant if you compare it to my examples.

(don't feel attacked btw, just not really easy to find the good words in english ;))

This game is a good example btw for my point of view:

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Edited by PatjeBono (12/28/2007 3:57:40 PM CET)

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 12/28/2007 3:57:40 PM

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10661.15 in reply to 10661.14
Date: 12/28/2007 3:57:30 PM
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The original poster said this:

Is here a defensive tactic that is best against motion? Thanks.


You said:

I'd say 2-3 Zone


Did I miss something here?

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10661.16 in reply to 10661.15
Date: 12/28/2007 3:58:35 PM
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Yeah just an advice for his game, which he lost btw with a 3-2 zone, but thats not rly important.

Check my last post I editted it with an example.

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10661.17 in reply to 10661.14
Date: 12/28/2007 4:02:17 PM
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correct,
you stated that with the given skills it is not necessary to defend at long range, so it might be better te defend inside, so you can grab more rebounds...
This is indeed something else than telling you said that the best defense against an outside offense is to defend inside.

I played motion last night and didn't realy look for great outside shooters in my line-up, in fact I had a few good ones, but I also played 6 centers out of the 10 players.
The first 2 quarters I shot poorly indeed, but I had 2 on 5 and 5 on 11 in the final 2 quarters. Even if you can grab all defensive rebounds on the missed attempts, I will still end on top in points in the final 2 quarters, looking just at 3 pointers.
I guess if you realy do look at which players you put in the team, and play outside offense, one might truly need an outside defense in order to be able to win.
Not everyone thinks the same way ofcourse... luckely... and everyone can do as he sees fit. ;)

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