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189984.7 in reply to 189984.2
Date: 7/19/2011 10:53:45 AM
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I like this thread and I strongly agree with this:

The best 19 year old in the draft, should be better (in terms of skills) than the best 18 year old in the draft. But not potential.


Maybe the solution could be putting a different "cap" for drafted players. For example, 18 years old players cannot have skills above "average (6)", while 19 years old players cannot have skills above "strong (8)".

Average and strong are just examples, of course.

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189984.8 in reply to 189984.7
Date: 7/19/2011 12:03:19 PM
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I also like this concept and agree that 19 yr olds should be "advanced" players

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189984.9 in reply to 189984.8
Date: 7/19/2011 1:34:40 PM
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Also I think 19 year olds should have more expierience coming out of the draft the 18 year olds. So maybe all 18 year olds should have atrocious experience and 19 year olds should have either pitiful or awful experience.

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189984.10 in reply to 189984.9
Date: 7/19/2011 5:24:57 PM
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I don't understand with such an emphasis on U21 and NT why there are just 18 and 19 yo players in the draft to begin with. If you're gonna have multiple ages, why not have up to 21 and then why not have a wider range of starting skills for them all.

Either that or all the players are 18 years old. 18 and 19 make no sense to me personally.

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189984.11 in reply to 189984.9
Date: 7/20/2011 12:51:24 AM
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I dont think the rule should be so blanket. The worst 19 year old in the draft should definately NOT be better than the best 18 year old.
And someties you will get an 18 year old with better experience than a 19 year old. As with all the other skills. Maybe the 19 year old blew his knee half way through the season, and missed all those games (and as such, didnt pop as much).

I think earlier suggestions of having a cap is maybe a bit harsh? maye it should just be a 'general' rule. Because generally, an 18 year old will only ever have maximum respectable in any such skill. And generally, for 19 year olds, it should be strong. BUT i dotn think it should exlude entirely the possibility that an 18 year old can have strong in a skill.

I dont think this would require much change, its only a small scale change to reflect the generalisation that, 19 year olds are generally better than 18 year olds, which currently, is not really shown in drafted players. and if it is, it needs to be more.


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189984.12 in reply to 189984.11
Date: 7/20/2011 2:36:27 AM
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if you look at the top picks of the last NBA draft, i had to agree with you the good enough player get in the professional ball as early as they can and just the dudes who still need development stay in college to reach the level.

I believe in the draft last year they was pretty surprised that a senior was picked in the lottery and that this don't happen the last years, and they are pretty few seniors who got picked in first round every year.

For sure you could argue if the BB 18 vs 19 more like sophomore vs rookie which the age difference implies, or rookie vs senior which are the extrems in real life. I go more with the extrems.

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189984.13 in reply to 189984.12
Date: 7/20/2011 4:09:12 AM
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Yer i agree i treat 18 like a rookie and 19 like a senior.

But as per other suggestions here, maybe we could be scouting 20 year olds? So we could have 18 - rookie ... 19 - Sophomore ... 20 - Senior.

I dont know about drafting a 20 year old. Maybe in the lower divisions, this would be more suitable? i suppose even in higher divisions, if the skills are high enough, it still becomes a viable 'sellable' draftee.

I think it would be good.

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189984.14 in reply to 189984.13
Date: 7/20/2011 4:38:36 AM
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i selled some 19 year old in the past, and in most draft there are some of them in the draft where i was more then happy to get with my late pick. usually i don't get them, but i also don't see them as targeted 1-5 picks.

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189984.15 in reply to 189984.10
Date: 7/20/2011 12:50:43 PM
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I suspect what it's like, but I'm seriously interested to see the number of U21 players who were drafted 19 years old.

Is it okay that that number should be 0%?

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189984.16 in reply to 189984.15
Date: 7/20/2011 2:25:17 PM
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I suspect what it's like, but I'm seriously interested to see the number of U21 players who were drafted 19 years old.

Is it okay that that number should be 0%?

Well, depends on what you mean by saying "should be 0%"
In my opinion it shouldn't be 0% (why 19yr old should be excluded?), for sure the percentage will be smaller than 18yr old.

If you meant "as it is now it should be 0%" I agree and confirm. In big countries U21 (I can speak only about Italy, but I think the same concept is true in every big country) there's no room for 19yr old.
In smaller countries (African countries, for say) it's different, of course.

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189984.17 in reply to 189984.11
Date: 7/20/2011 2:35:03 PM
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I think earlier suggestions of having a cap is maybe a bit harsh? maye it should just be a 'general' rule. Because generally, an 18 year old will only ever have maximum respectable in any such skill. And generally, for 19 year olds, it should be strong. BUT i dotn think it should exlude entirely the possibility that an 18 year old can have strong in a skill.

You have to consider that an 18yr old player can reach strong in 1 or 2 training weeks, and then he has an entire season "in addition" compared to a 19yr old player. It doesn't seem harsh to me.

Your proposal of giving "the same cap" to differently aged players, if I didn't misunderstood it, is equal to the actual system, but you just push the cap to "strong" instead of "respectable". Am I wrong?

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