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first off: seeing the ratings, the result is prety normal.

second, to comment on

what was very weird, is that their Guards kept making lay-up after lay-up after lay-up. they just couldn't miss any lay-ups.

you say it's weird.
it's possible that it IS weird, but it's also possible that it's not so weird. I have no clue on the ID of our guards, and especially their block skill. But if the combo ID/block, is rather low on our guards, then it's perfectly normal that with a look inside tactic and guards with decent IS/driving (in which I believe driving is the more important one, and many guards tend to have high driving!!), a lot of lay-ups succeed.

having good big men to defend inside only helps aganist this when you play zone (even 3-2, as then the 2 big men do defend the inside, and keep the guards from scoring easely inside). If you play man to man, it's our guards versus theirs, and then this isn't realy so weird if you understand how it works...

so the solution against inside attacking teams is either: play zone, or have a team with players that all have some ID/block skills.

the smallest lvl of ID on the guards that was playing today, is a 5. average of above 6 on Id of all those guards. So unless all their guards had IS 9, which, some how, i rather doubt it, then it remains inexplaniable.

SB lvls are in the same range, but average is just a bitt lower. Their is no way, that all their Guards had an IS of 8, 9 or more.

So i still don't get why they kept making so many lay's.

Also, if you look at our C and PF. They got hammered. Despite having high ammount of ID/SB lvls, they just got completely hammered. Defensifly, we looked like cheese, and we defo got enough defense.

Worst of this all, is that as soon as Deseure left the game, we couldn't do anything anymore. They also kept hitting all their FT's, which caused the score to ballon in the end...

I had the skills on plural of their players, including their guards. Burtea's IS = lvl 3, DR 17. yet he just kept laying em in.
Thys has got IS 1. Yet, he lay's em in at a pretty fast rate. And a zonal defense wouldn't have helped here. 2-3 is asking for trouble when you are facing a team with shooters with JS 17 JR 13 or better. 3-2 wouldn't have helped either, because we would have simply been dominated on the boards (we already were dominated in a MTM defense). 1-3-1 is a kamikaze outside defense where rebounding is cut down even more. And their was no reason to play Full Court Press. OD minimum is high on our NT (mail me if you want to know the exact number) yet we hardly got any turn overs from them. And despite having high SB lvl players, all we got were... 2 blocks... i call that pretty darn small ammount of blocks for the lvl of SB that our NT has.

anyhow, a loss is a loss. No matter how many times i'm gonna relook at that game, i'm gonna feel as if we should have won it. And considering how the team just completely lost it after Deseures injury, where as De Piano is defensively just as good as Deseure (he's even got more ID/SB than deseure). It just doesn't add up.

That Romanian pulled away in the end, is kinda logical. If you go into money time, against players who are all between 27 and 30, then they've got a tremendous advantage in terms of experience, and you just know that they'll hammer you, their and then.

It's going to be interesting to see how this qualifier will unfold itself, but with the Netherlands losing, and Russia taking a very hard beating, i can't help but say that we've lost a golden opportunity to put ourselves in a good position for that second spot.

Next stop will be against Macedonia. If we lose against them, then this qualifier is over.

don't know, there's always a random factor, but if they make 7 out of 10 shots, there might be 3 or 4 by the random factor, but there will be definatly 3 or 4 that hit because they suposed to.

I repeat: for lay-ups the driving on the attacking player is most important, and the block on the defender is most important.
Guards tend to have high driving (12 and higher), so unless our guards have SB of 7+ , we can expect at least half of the lay-ups to go in.
Don't forget their look inside tactic also boosts the chance of hitting inside shots!

with a rather close win over Macedonie, where i was forced to alter my gameplan due to the injury of Lahure, we still managed to win.

This was without any dought the weirdest game i've seen, yet againt a princeton attack, it seemed like a good plan to put up a line-up to defend against it as well as possible, but let the coach decide option kept on, just incase if one of the players would get into early faultrouble.

This left us with a very weird game, where some players played on the weirdest positions (Waelput, Deseure and De Neef ended up on the SF spot at some point) which ofcourse wasn't always very great. ( Having a C vs an SG on the SF, playing man to man when you know that opposing SF ( SG) is a good shooter, isn't exactly what i had in mind). Yet, somehow, we managed to pull through, despite Macedonia putting in more effort than us.

However, this all could very well be in vain, because Russia has beaten the Netherlands. That means that the Preliminairy is over for the Netherlands, and since we are their last though opponent ( before an unwinable game against the Czechs) that we'll most likely end up facing a CT, which, no matter how you look at it, will end up costing us dearly.

The Russians remain unbeaten and from what i've seen, seem to have build up their enthousiasme as good as possible, playing 2x TIE in their past 2 games. Thus, even if the Belgian Nt would be able to beat the russians, we'd still take a beating from the Czech NT ( that is certain) aswell as a most likely CT from the dutch team. In the highly unlikely event that the Belgians would be able to win either against the Dutch or the Czech NT team, then the second spot still would be out of reach, because we wouldn't be able to get a good point difference going...

With Romania wasting enthousiasme on Sakartvelo, it seems that the top 2 for this qualifier round are already known, being Russia and the hosts, the Czechs...

That first game against Romania reminded me of the qualifier round in season 11, where an early loss against the Cypriotic team in the first game ended up costing us the second spot in the division...

Their is an expression saying that it ain't over till the fat lady sings, but no matter how i look at it, Russia is in a perfect possition to secure the second spot. The only way russia could end up missing it, would be if they'd lose another 2 games, but i don't see em losing 2 games... It's not in our hands anymore.

They have gotten a good manager for a change, and they always had a good roster. They just underachieved the past few seasons...

Ow well, i guess we might as well go for the 3rd spot then, since Russians will be securing the second one. Atleast we'll be able to rpevent a slide in the Nt rankings that way and thus hope for a good draw the upcomming seasons...

As things stand now, the ranking will most likely be:

1) Czech
2) Russia
3) Belgium
4) Netherlands
5) Macedonia
6) Romania
7) Luxembroug
8) Sakartvelo

Netherlands paid the price for having a bad Gameshape which will end up proving to be costly in their first 2 games... And we are going to pay the price for losing against romains in that first game...

LA-Revo

I think your calculation of 7-0 for Czech rep. is problematic. If some match is played TIE vs. CT we can lose easily. And I think you in 6th round and Nederland in last round should be forced to use CT if beating us stays only way to next phase of EC. Also if I go to match against Nederland with 6-0 I have no reason to play anything but TIE.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 8/19/2011 12:45:43 PM

i know that already.

But Netherland needs a 5-2 record to go on... So either they'll CT us, and then CT you again, with whatever Enthousiasme they have left, or they'll just keep it for you guy's, hoping that you go 6-0.

But face it. If Czech beat russians by a 60 point difference, what hope have the other teams got of winning against you?

remember, russians and Czeches faced eachother with equal enthousiasme ( both 5 at the time of the game). When Belgium and Netherlands face you, you'll have TIEd all games, and we'll have atleast played a few normals...

Netherlands are slightely more fortunate with the schedule because they face you in the last game, and have a chance of facing a certain TIE...

Nederland can risk match against you on normal or TIE-TIE and play just with little bit lower enthusiasm against us. Russia risked tactic against us, so it probably enlarged the difference (it was 49 not 60) and matches with enthusiasm 5-5 also look completelly differerent than matches on 9-9 end higher.

game over.

http://www.hockey.de/VVI-web/vvi-events/Ticker.asp?lang=1...

I was hoping that we could follow our Belgian National Hockey team by beating the russians. And if i look at the ratings, we should have won it.

But i guess that the Russians wanted revanche for it, and they have ended the poule games. For Belgium to stand a chance, we would have to beat the Netherlands ( which isn't an easy task) AND we would have to beat the Czechs on their own court ( Mission Impossible). The russians would have to lose against Romania, and Romania would have to lose against the Netherlands. In that scenario, we could advise, provided that we got the better goal average with obvliously isn't going to happen... to many if's in that scenario.

So it all ends here. All we can do now is try and secure our 3rd spot to prevent a slide on the NT rankings list. It was a dissapointing loss, but we knew that it wasn't going to be an easy task. We didn't lose our chances for qualification against Russia... The match that we never should have lost was the match against Romania...

It all went pretty good untill Fleeton got into faul trouble. From their on, the game went downhill. Dissapointing preformance from Mees also, but he can't be blamed for it. He was one of the very few players from our squad that wasn't in proficient shape. We gave it our all. Their was no way we could have played in a better/different way. You might be able to argue that we should have played with more enthousiasme against Romania to win that game, but that still wouldn't have guaranteed a victory.

it's dissapointing to see things end like this, after the previous 2 seasons...

it will be a short NT season this time around, where i'll be able to try out some new things after the qualifier. Things that i wasn't able to try out earlier due to the long seasons.

i guess it's learn from your mistakes and don't make em again next season...

i'll still try and win a maximum of games, to get belgium to atleast the 3rd spot in this qualifier.

Revo

I'm not sure how other potential NT player are being trained right now, but if we have 7 or 8 more dedicated managers like me, you will get a heck of a NT team in about 4 seasons. ;)

Hope you can get some comfort out of that.

biggest problem is salary in most cases.

In terms of guards, you'll be looking at 120k minimum. one player like that is doable in II, but you have to watch his minutes, which makes it hard.

in terms of C's, you'r looking at minimum tripple 16's with SB 10 (194k) or quadruple 15's (182k) and i'm not considering any secundairies in those calculations.

a top II team can carry 400 to 450k salary.

a C in II is barely doable. in III, it's consumes nearly your entire economy... So having dedicated managers help. But at some point, they are going to have to go to a II or BBBL team, because they can't keep up salary wise.

For SF's, you could make on hell of an SF for 100k or even a bitt lower (HA and Dr don't cost alot but make SF's alot stronger) but making SF's takes alot of time and need alot of changing of training... ( one week they are PG's, next week they are C's, ... isn't easy to do).

Anyhow, i've got one heck of a team. Yesterday's game was an eye opener aswell, since i've discovered some strange things that i'll be addressing in the scrimmages aswell to see if it would confirm my theory or not ( i can't write em down here, since it would give away to much info on the NT players skills and that as both for the NT and as NT coaches responsibility, it is better that they are known to an as little ammount of people as possible).

And altho i like being NT coach, i'm already part of the NT staff for 7 seasons and doing my 5th as NT head coach. I can't remain the coach forever... At some point, someone else will be NT coach. The community gets to decide on things. So it all depends if they'll want me back again after this term.

But that is stuff for the end of season 18 :P first, i gotta make the most out of the remaining season and the consolation tourney next season.

Revo

For SF's, you could make on hell of an SF for 100k or even a bitt lower (HA and Dr don't cost alot but make SF's alot stronger) but making SF's takes alot of time and need alot of changing of training... ( one week they are PG's, next week they are C's, ... isn't easy to do).

true, but I wouldn't worry on that. I know someone who is taking care of that already.