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Agree with you, I've never understood why every skill has an arrow but experience.

cause every skill have a specific time in the week, when the arrow comes and get removed, and they are many special cases , when you like to combine it with the game calculation to make it one week. It is not impossible to implement and you can find solutions without making it processing heavy, but the only thing you could use from the skill up arrow is the arrow symbol.

Nonsense.
It is exactly the difference between a periodic event (skills improved due to training) and an interupt event (experience skill).
When the experience is changed on the game do an additional action and add the "complicated" arrow to the apropriate places.

the tricky part is removing it again ;) And that have to work in another system, then the skill up.

We can't presume something is easy if we do not know the code. Training skill arrows pop at training and stay there before the next training happens. With experience, the pop happens during the game. We do not know how complex the training code is. What get's checked and how are arrows generated.

Agree with you, I've never understood why every skill has an arrow but experience.

Game shape does not have an arrow aswell. Although it pops/drops at training. So there must be a different kind of calculation for it. Experience on the other hand does not have a drop at all. Perhaps game days are a huge strain on the servers and running that check, might not be optimal.
If needed, people might check for the pops manually, as you know, when the pop can occure. I check for exp pops after every training.
I think this suggestion has some merit though. If it is relativly easy to implement, it would be a good addition. What we need to thing about is, how long will the arrow stay? It pops after a game, get's removed after the next game (regardless if the player plays or not, because training arrows stay until the next training update)?

Agree with you, I've never understood why every skill has an arrow but experience.

cause every skill have a specific time in the week, when the arrow comes and get removed, and they are many special cases , when you like to combine it with the game calculation to make it one week. It is not impossible to implement and you can find solutions without making it processing heavy, but the only thing you could use from the skill up arrow is the arrow symbol.

Nonsense.
It is exactly the difference between a periodic event (skills improved due to training) and an interupt event (experience skill).
When the experience is changed on the game do an additional action and add the "complicated" arrow to the apropriate places.

the tricky part is removing it again ;) And that have to work in another system, then the skill up.

Setting a single event to be called after the requested time? It does not sound hard for me.

Basically, they probably go over all players once every week or something on a specific time.
What they will have to do in addition to current pop-up (and the suggested arrow addition) will be arrow-removal.

It is very simple, on any case.

It is very simple, on any case.

Pure facts again, as usual. Not a tiny bit of opinion at all. Pure facts, pure truth.

in the training, you already go through all player to do such task. Else it is about organtionell effort(which cost space and might affect database speed and ability), or you check out most player every day(besides friday, and most sundays) for nothing which goes also on speed.

But yes it is not "so" difficult, and with a smart solution even not so server heavy - but it will work different then the training arrow which is my point. Since it was mentioned, why one think is already implemented and the other not, cause you simply can not take the code from the training arrow, for the xp arrow.

It is very simple, on any case.

Pure facts again, as usual. Not a tiny bit of opinion at all. Pure facts, pure truth.

On this case? Yes it is.
Adding a code that just turn off a flag and update the display (which is done anyhow) is simple.

You are trying to attack with a plastic sword (or arrow, just to make this related to this thread...) whenever you can, and it is kind of pathetic.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 11/10/2011 12:50:16 AM

in the training, you already go through all player to do such task. Else it is about organtionell effort(which cost space and might affect database speed and ability), or you check out most player every day(besides friday, and most sundays) for nothing which goes also on speed.

But yes it is not "so" difficult, and with a smart solution even not so server heavy - but it will work different then the training arrow which is my point. Since it was mentioned, why one think is already implemented and the other not, cause you simply can not take the code from the training arrow, for the xp arrow.

1) There is an update that affects the "experience" skill.
2) There is a code that updates the display.
So, even if it would have been used in a not code-efficient manner, it could just be copied to the place where the skill is updated and perform it there.

In addition, as both work on the same page, I will guess that those parts of the code are on the same file, but this is a pure guess.

There is an update that affects the "experience" skill

which is combined ith the game, and that not guaranted that you play next week at the same time NT games, injurys, roster change sunday playogg, wednesday BBB, no organised scrimmage etc. So there is not an specific Xpperience update every week, for every player ;) You could build list for every week day to solve it, but it is different then the training update.

2) There is a code that updates the display.

which is properly loaded while you ask for the player page, off the player and not is date combined or with histrory. at least i would construct it like that.

So, even if it would have been used in a not code-efficient manner, it could just be copied to the place where the skill is updated and perform it there.

no.

Last edited by El Duderino at 11/10/2011 7:58:08 AM

There is an update that affects the "experience" skill

which is combined ith the game, and that not guaranted that you play next week at the same time NT games, injurys, roster change sunday playogg, wednesday BBB, no organised scrimmage etc. So there is not an specific Xpperience update every week, for every player ;) You could build list for every week day to solve it, but it is different then the training update.

So? You add the arrow when the times come (Interrupt event), and remove it after the next training result or the one after that.
Nobody said that it needs to be 7 days exactly or even roughly.
Think outside the box...

2) There is a code that updates the display.

which is properly loaded while you ask for the player page, off the player and not is date combined or with histrory. at least i would construct it like that.

Definately a bad thing to do...
If you would have done it upon event and not periodic and spreaded over time, you may got a burst that would result a fatality to the system.
This is why the training is computed exactly like this and not upon openning the training page...

So, even if it would have been used in a not code-efficient manner, it could just be copied to the place where the skill is updated and perform it there.

no.

Yes.

Last edited by Pini פיני at 11/10/2011 6:12:02 PM

2) There is a code that updates the display.

which is properly loaded while you ask for the player page, off the player and not is date combined or with histrory. at least i would construct it like that.

Definately a bad thing to do...
If you would have done it upon event and not periodic and spreaded over time, you may got a burst that would result a fatality to the system.
This is why the training is computed exactly like this and not upon openning the training page...

training is a database operation, like asking for the skills. But the BB didn't have prepared 60+ sites for every player, since a player like to see his skill in english/francais/german etc.
Thats in german einen "Datenbank anfrage", or simply translated a question to the database who give the information to create the players side. So the skills didn't change through it, like at the training cause they don't have to. During the game you have a database operation to, in increasing the XP and adding injurys who are done right now but this should not make a difference if you add 0,1 XP to 2,7 or 2,9 Xp even when one leads to a different display of the players page.
The flag there is most likely a boolean variable, who get reseted every training update.

So? You add the arrow when the times come (Interrupt event), and remove it after the next training result or the one after that.
Nobody said that it needs to be 7 days exactly or even roughly.
Think outside the box...

i would at least have it with a bit consistency, if you delete it the next training update it get useless cause many arrow will disappear unseen from the cup and scrimmage games. If they carry it nearly two weeks, when it comes saturday game, or just one week when it arrives thursday would be weird too with the two week solution - and even that would be most likely furfill a need of extra programming and not even use the training solution.

2) There is a code that updates the display.

which is properly loaded while you ask for the player page, off the player and not is date combined or with histrory. at least i would construct it like that.

Definately a bad thing to do...
If you would have done it upon event and not periodic and spreaded over time, you may got a burst that would result a fatality to the system.
This is why the training is computed exactly like this and not upon openning the training page...

training is a database operation, like asking for the skills. But the BB didn't have prepared 60+ sites for every player, since a player like to see his skill in english/francais/german etc.
Thats in german einen "Datenbank anfrage", or simply translated a question to the database who give the information to create the players side. So the skills didn't change through it, like at the training cause they don't have to. During the game you have a database operation to, in increasing the XP and adding injurys who are done right now but this should not make a difference if you add 0,1 XP to 2,7 or 2,9 Xp even when one leads to a different display of the players page.
The flag there is most likely a boolean variable, who get reseted every training update.

Again, the calculation of skills is being done periodic and spread over time.
The displaying is something that just uses this information and... displays it.
The operation which is more complex is the calculation.

So? You add the arrow when the times come (Interrupt event), and remove it after the next training result or the one after that.
Nobody said that it needs to be 7 days exactly or even roughly.
Think outside the box...

i would at least have it with a bit consistency

I've meant that BB will need to choose between the two option for consistency, in order of not mixing the users.

if you delete it the next training update it get useless cause many arrow will disappear unseen from the cup and scrimmage games. If they carry it nearly two weeks, when it comes saturday game, or just one week when it arrives thursday would be weird too with the two week solution - and even that would be most likely furfill a need of extra programming and not even use the training solution.

I didn't understood what you've meant.
In any case, whatever they'll choose will be adapted by the users real fast.
In the end, the user just needs this arrow to be more aware of the change, as it is easier to notify this arrow than going over all players.