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And I am not talking about Utopia but new users. Someone new starts the game and often do not get a single player in the squad of 18 who is decent enough to stay with them long term. I'm suggesting new users get something little to allow them to be interested tin staying around. Seen so many people sign up and throw it in when they see the huge mountain they need to climb. One ok trainee who can help them in bottom division and stay as a back up a couple up allows them to have 1 thing covered and to keep them interested.

i agree, my mate got me into this game and i only just joined with his help.... the first thing he said was "wow 18 players who wouldnt even know what a basketball looks like"
he has suggested that i just fire everyone with a high salary and just try and save up some money to buy a couple AVERAGE players!
im freaking out as he is kinda coaching me through this, but by the sounds of things im not gonna even come close to contesting a game and to be honest if i lose heaps every game for the rest of the season... where is the fun in that??

I said all star min which is not really a great player.

take all the % of lower grades coming up and make them all to be all star. They are no stars but someone who can actually play. They are only depth players at best in decent leagues.

Gosh, four of my six man rotation for the PG, SG, SF positions are allstar or lower (two star, two allstar, with one of the all-stars really ideally suited to be further down the depth chart). I suppose I'm lucky to not be in a decent league.

I said all star min which is not really a great player.

take all the % of lower grades coming up and make them all to be all star. They are no stars but someone who can actually play. They are only depth players at best in decent leagues.

Gosh, four of my six man rotation for the PG, SG, SF positions are allstar or lower (two star, two allstar, with one of the all-stars really ideally suited to be further down the depth chart). I suppose I'm lucky to not be in a decent league.

I am by no means in a comparison to d.ii but my best player is star potential guy.

Yes heaven forbid...

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You know what the difference is between a star with 1 season training and an MVP with 1 season training?

Nothing.

You know what the merchandise bonus difference is between keeping your star/Allstar drafted player and training vs buying some pa guy? Thousands per week. Enough to buy the guy's replacement and train him up... Just saying

They are your bench. Which is my point all along that they are only good for back ups in higher leagues.

They are your bench. Which is my point all along that they are only good for back ups in higher leagues.

I suppose they need to rerun last season's playoffs then. In my two legitimate wins (i.e., pre-finals), I started my star potential draftee from season 16 in both games. Also had a star potential big man play more than 24 minutes in both wins, as well. The same two star potential players started and played 35 and 34 minutes last night and scored double digits in a road win against another playoff team.

Now, of course, the big man is mostly a backup at this point, since I've trained three other bigs who are ahead of him, but he generally starts when I run inside offenses. The guard starts more often when I run inside offenses and ideally would be a backup, but I'm not at all distressed when I need to start him. The other star guard I have is more a pure backup, though, and would ideally be the 7th man in the 1,2,3 spots.

So, yes, the theory is star potential players are useless in higher divisions - maybe scrubs on the bench at best. Shame I missed class the day that lesson was taught. ;)

I think you are missing the point. New users often do not even get a 19 year old star potential player. My point is I think to make things easier for new users that they be given a player of a max age, min potential and min skills to ensure they get a at least one player worth training.

I've seen people I know get at best a 21 year old MVP with poor skills for his height who might as well being star as he could not train him much. And an other get a 18 year old HoFer with decent skills.

I'm just suggesting some of the loto be taken out of it for new users. Stuff Utopia as we all can work it out. But for a new user having something worth doing will help them say longer and engage with the game. I have seen other people advise new users they know to let their team go bot and try again to get a better trainee. Not sure that is a real option but it does make a point.

I think you are missing the point. New users often do not even get a 19 year old star potential player. My point is I think to make things easier for new users that they be given a player of a max age, min potential and min skills to ensure they get a at least one player worth training.

I've seen people I know get at best a 21 year old MVP with poor skills for his height who might as well being star as he could not train him much. And an other get a 18 year old HoFer with decent skills.

I'm just suggesting some of the loto be taken out of it for new users. Stuff Utopia as we all can work it out. But for a new user having something worth doing will help them say longer and engage with the game. I have seen other people advise new users they know to let their team go bot and try again to get a better trainee. Not sure that is a real option but it does make a point.

You are missing OUR POINT.

How many new managers know what they are doing training? Know how to effectively train salary wise? Skill wise? To maximize their cap? etc.

Would you be more pissed you screwed up training and made a useless HOF potential guy? Or a star player guy?

Its worth it to train lower potential guys... 1stly They still are effective in lower divisions where... *gasp* new users start....

2ndly, you can sell them, believe it or not people buy them, particularily people who are *gasp* newer, or *gasp again* in lower divisions....

3rdly Merchandise bonus. You learn a lot about merchandise bonus training your own scrubs before buying other players to train, it's all good knowledge to know.

I think you are missing the point. New users often do not even get a 19 year old star potential player. My point is I think to make things easier for new users that they be given a player of a max age, min potential and min skills to ensure they get a at least one player worth training.

I don't disagree there. I am fairly certain that my best starting player with my main club was an 18 year old starter potential guy. I just think that what is defined as "worth training" is grossly inaccurate.

I have seen other people advise new users they know to let their team go bot and try again to get a better trainee. Not sure that is a real option but it does make a point.

Which is precisely why I try to let people know that it's okay to not have an elite trainee when you're starting out. There are plenty of purveyors of the conventional "wisdom" about how these players are fairly useless (or, as you claimed, even allstar potential players are "depth players at best in decent leagues"). Just because something is echoed by a thousand voices doesn't make it any less wrong. People who feel that they need to wait until they have an advantage (either because of superior starting trainees, tanking to build up to afford ridiculous salaries, etc.) to play the game are simply advertising to the rest of the game that they know they're not good enough managers to compete on even footing.