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276715.7 in reply to 276715.2
Date: 2/21/2016 4:36:22 AM
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Any questions?

How's grade five going?

Kidding kidding kidding. Congrats on Naismith last season.
Communicating with hundreds of managers about trainees is different than running your own team however and in this respect I believe I am the better choice to raise the overall depth in our NT farm system.


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276715.8 in reply to 276715.7
Date: 2/21/2016 7:42:05 AM
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I am in High School now.
What have you accomplished in the 4 seasons that you have been the U21 manager that proves that you're any better than anybody else.
It's all about results and you and I are just about equal.
I actually did more with less talent.

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Date: 2/21/2016 8:52:48 AM
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I actually did more with less talent.

Unless you have exact TSP, enthusiasm, and GS numbers, this is a probably a very biased opinion.

Now, if you'd like data on the TSP numbers of 19 and 20 year olds the year I took over vs. the TSP numbers now, I would be glad to share. Hint: we're on the upswing.

I have full confidence you'd do a fantastic job in terms of W/L, but as I said, the position in my eyes is longer term and growing our trainees by making our managers training them better. This is the long run helps both our U21 and NT, and it takes time and dedication. And it takes more than a single term.

I sent 127 BBmails this week and that's just the first batch. I have two days off work after today and there will be 114 more to do. Individually checking in on every single 18-21 year old we have.

Did you do that / are you ready to do that?

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276715.11 in reply to 276715.10
Date: 2/21/2016 10:03:09 AM
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I'm from Hong Kong but also the manager of a Canadian U21 point guard Guo Zhongkai, so while I don't get to vote and it may be inappropriate for me to comment on another country's election, I would just like to get my 2 cents in.

I want to mention that I've never had as much support from any U21 coach as I did from Cletus. At the start of every season Cletus gave me a very detailed training plan for Zhongkai, and followed up on Zhongkai's progress for 2 seasons (since Zhongkai was 19 years old). Had I not received that kind of quality advice from Cletus, Zhongkai certainly wouldn't be as good today and Canada may have hence lost a U21 player.

Cletus certainly showed commitment and patience in raising the quality of Canadian youngsters' pipeline and I wouldn't mind training another Canadian prospect because of that kind of quality support.

So, a big thanks to Cletus for helping me develop my franchise player.

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Date: 2/21/2016 10:20:45 AM
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I sent 127 BBmails this week and that's just the first batch. I have two days off work after today and there will be 114 more to do. Individually checking in on every single 18-21 year old we have.

Did you do that / are you ready to do that?


I spent hours every day doing that. I could send you my open office spreadsheet with 300 U21 players, if you want. I updated the skills of all the 21 year olds on the offsite every week, do you do that?
I often didn't get responses but, that didn't stop me from asking everybody for their player updates.

Did you inform the managers with bad GS about how to properly keep it up? I did that. Every week. Even for the younger players so, that they would have good GS hen they would become 21.

Last edited by Myles at 2/21/2016 10:23:00 AM

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276715.14 in reply to 276715.11
Date: 2/21/2016 11:20:39 AM
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hi. Cletus helped me very much with the training of my u21 player Derek Busch. when Cletus took over i was pretty new to BB. at the start of each season he also gave me a detailed training plan, and checked a couple of times throughout the season on my players progress. Cletus sent me a total of 11 bb-mails regarding my player.

thank you Cletus for all your help. cheers.


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Date: 2/21/2016 11:38:15 AM
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I remember helping your old team. What were the names of your old trainees?

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276715.16 in reply to 276715.13
Date: 2/21/2016 11:50:56 AM
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Props to you for doing that. My keys are worn out from entering spreadsheet data, but for this it has to be done.

No, I do not update anything on the offsite. It is sad, but seriously, it's a failure. Who reads it? 5 people? 6? The same people every week. Even going back to Kumiko, who really tried to get things going by relentlessly posting on the offsite, no real communication boom or community togetherness ever really happened.

I spend 75% of my time on this entire site 1-on-1 with our U21 trainee managers because that is who is training our players. I could spend 3 hours a week on the offsite, for what?

That's 3 hours lost putting data and team lineups and everything down on a page nobody reads.

That's 3 hours lost not talking directly to people who train our players.

---> some don't need any help and just an update of pops or future skill trainings is in order
---> some have the jist of it, but need a little encouragement or a little finesse in getting more pops by training things in elastic order or organizing their training sched for things like weak/strong opponents or short 2 game weeks
---> some don't have a clue but have really progressed in their training capabilities by asking questions, following advice (which is given best for U21 and best for their team, and they make the final choice)
---> some don't have a clue and will never have a clue, and are encouraged to sell, but rarely do, and MVP/HOF/ATG are wasted far too often

Most weeks I'm even plugging in same lineups for both my club teams and just making sure my Canadian players are getting their minutes at their training positions. Finishing the arena was a huge step, but with transfer list prices through the roof, it's going to take longer than expected to field a team to move up to Naismith with the amount of cash I have. Was mucho easier before!

I even WAAAAAY overbid on our top TSP 18 year old this season (allstar only, but still OK by 21 for U21) because it was against a new team that signed up TWO DAYS before the auction ended. I did not want to see him go to some newb in Lithuania or wherever it was and see a potential top guy for U21 wasted. Project 1a is Watts and project 1b is Curtin.

Again props to you for informing that many managers about GS. For me, I look at the age 20 guys that are ready to promote to the U21 team. If they are not GS 8 or 9 a few weeks into the season, yes, they get GS pointers/reminders/etc. On how GS is important, OD 14 all of a sudden is more like OD 10, and how that awesome player they have can't play or even be put on the team if he's useless with poor GS.

Every 18 year old when drafted got an initial message from me asking for trainer level, understanding of BBs training system (training by position by minutes/single vs double position/GS/DMI/height vs position considerations/season plan/long term plan/etc) and follow up mails were sent as needed.

It's fair to say either of us can do the job right, which is actually good for Canada. You've proven some people wrong with your strong league play and at this point it's in the hands of the voters who they want for the U21 position.

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276715.17 in reply to 276715.14
Date: 2/21/2016 11:53:50 AM
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Thanks for kind words Morwood, 1766, and georgegervin.

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