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From: Sparkle

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:14:32 AM
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It does seem I have lost sanity and reason, but I do not see it to be a reason to diverge from the initial reason I posted so soon in the thread. If you wish to discuss my transfer revenue, I will be happy to explain the circumstances to you. I had intended to discuss the effect of the economic changes on teams from smaller nations.

If certain aspects of my team management is called into question, perhaps it is best if I put it to rest lest the discussion sidetracks again.

Being an inside trainer, I need to buy outside players. This money comes from the sale of trainees. Such as my Center. But for 3.5M, the skill level of outside players on offer is much lower to the skill level of a similar inside player due to the facotrs of supply and demand. And there has not been a suitable candidate in the past week. Now back to the case at hand.


From: Sparkle

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Thank you for the feedback.
I've got a couple of friends in the lower leagues of my country so I'll be keeping an eye out on their situation. Season ticket holders seem key to the point made here, it will be at least 5 games worth of data before we get to see a clearer picture of the effect.

From: brian

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Now back to the case at hand.


Which is that your situation is bigger burden this season then those from top divisions from other countries (I should fit that bill)

I bet that if I don't win the B3 (good bet there), you're going to pull in at least 25% more profit (backing out player purchases/sales) then I will by the end of the season. That's conservative too, expect that your profit will be closer to double mine.


Last edited by brian at 8/19/2008 10:23:08 AM

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From: Pallu

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:23:10 AM
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No hard feelings, but we are at the case at hand.

I am far from criticising your management skills and I would probably not find a reason to do so. I have the same reasons for selling inside players by the way.

I simply disagree with your initial statements. Therefore I have said that I do not find the position of a D.I Team in a small country disadvantageous. I rather envy your situation. The points in my posts were naming some reasons why.

And sorry, but if you call 3.5 mio. miniscule you are simply ignoring the common team's financial structure. No matter what the transfer market says, in 08/2008 3.5 mio. is still a lot of money.

Edit: in brief, you have the advantages of being a D.I team at the cost of a low Division team. No disadvantage there...

Last edited by Pallu at 8/19/2008 10:26:23 AM

From: Sparkle

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:25:13 AM
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Again, no need for imagination here. I have the same wage bill to be competitive in D.II Germany but I have lesser income from PR and Arena (25% instead of 40% cut but less visitors/lower prices).


Your data from Div II Germany is inaccurate. Your lesser income from Arena is because most of you haven't expanded your arenas. You sellout most of the time, especially your luxury seats.

3.5M is not miniscule, but it is not part of my weekly income. It is unrelated and isanther topic altogether.

Last edited by Sparkle at 8/19/2008 10:28:25 AM

From: Pallu

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:29:00 AM
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I was looking at me, I have a 10k Arena, so I was only comparing price and fan interest (leverage). I think in any country more players attend D.I matches than D.II.

You are right that a lot of teams underrated arena size.


From: Sparkle

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:30:08 AM
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Considering your negative budget, and with B3 taken out of the equation, I would say that should be pretty true.

From: Sparkle

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:33:06 AM
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We won't have accurate data until we hve some lower division teams that don't sell out their arenas in all 4 types of seats to ensure all fans allocated to the game attendance are accounted for. I'll try come up with some info on STH vs 'Income tax' between the divisions and perhaps we'll have a clearer picture.

Sorry guys, didn't mean to make this into a heated argument.

From: Pallu

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Sorry guys, didn't mean to make this into a heated argument.


Same for me. It is an emotional issue. Money is short, that is making people nervous. Me at least...
;-)

From: brian

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:56:12 AM
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What fun is debating if it's not heated

The economic changes are pretty big, prob a majority of teams are shocked by the changes and it's difficult to put in perspective compared to other teams.

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From: Sparkle

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Date: 8/19/2008 11:34:54 AM
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Heh, if only we could take it down to the hoops instead of slugging it out on the forums when things boil over. :)

Agreed there. If we exclude transfer income and assume a mid-table team (Which means no B3) which finishes 5th so he/she has 3 weeks income-free, it is rather hard to see the nett revenue for the entire seaon. If at all.

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